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Richard Dawkins Exposed

So Richard Dawkins has spoken, explaining his refusal to debate Christian philosopher William Lane Craig.

Forgive me if I’m not impressed with his explanation. Given that the debate is supposed to take place tomorrow, and that the event organizers will have an empty chair at the event (in his absence, Craig will deliver a critique of his God Delusion book), seems like an appropriate way to warm up to it.  It’s not like I’ll be able to add anything to the already lengthy conversation–minds much smarter than mine have already said it all–but I can’t resist, so here goes.  I’ll just proceed in point-counter-point style.

Dawkins begins with a bang:

Don’t feel embarrassed if you’ve never heard of William Lane Craig. He parades himself as a philosopher, but none of the professors of philosophy whom I consulted had heard his name either. Perhaps he is a “theologian”. For some years now, Craig has been increasingly importunate in his efforts to cajole, harass or defame me into a debate with him. I have consistently refused, in the spirit, if not the letter, of a famous retort by the then president of the Royal Society: “That would look great on your CV, not so good on mine”.

This is quite a rhetorical backhand. Dawkins has his nose turned way, way up at Craig in this comment. It is typical of him. A close examination of the facts shows it to be flatly false, however.

All fine and good. I simply see no reason to buy that, though. I need an argument, a good one, not just a series of rhetorical jabs and loaded words—which is what he usually offers for this view.

First, before I get to the facts, though, let me address the “theologian” comment. In normal parlance, calling someone a theologian is not an insult, for theology is a body of knowledge and is a discipline of study every bit as legitimate as other academic disciplines. However, when guys like Dawkins says it, it is an insult. To him and his ilk, theology is utterly silly and is such junk that it cannot even come close to being a discipline of study.  In addition, if asking some philosophy professors if they’ve ever heard of WLC before is all he did to investigate who Craig is, he is being seriously negligent in his homework.

On to the main claim: is Craig a small-fry? A look at his credentials weighs in decisively against this. He would have a point if Craig were actually, say, The Pugnacious Irishman. He does not have an obligation to accept any and every challenge that comes his way. If I were to challenge him to a dual to be held at the Kiwanis Club of Cole County, Mo, a refusal would be reasonable. I really am a small-fry.

But in Craig’s case, it is not as if he just runs a puny blog or has just published a few creationist tracts and pamphlets by Tilamook County First Baptist Press. He has not only debated the best contemporary atheism has to offer over the last few decades, but he has published frequently in scholarly publications in a wide variety of topics. He has not only established himself in philosophy, but has shown himself conversant in science, cosmology, and history as well. In other words, he’s the real deal.

Consider just a small sampling of his publications:

  • “On Truth Conditions of Tensed Sentence Types.” Synthese 120 (2000): 265-270.
  • “The Extent of the Present.” International Studies in the Philosophy of Science 14 (2000): 165-185.
  • “Why Is It Now?” Ratio 18 (2000): 115-122.
  • “Timelessness, Creation, and God’s Real Relation to the World.” Laval théologique et philosphique 56 (2000): 93-112.
  • “Timelessness and Omnitemporality.” Philosophia Christi 2 (2000): 29-33.
  • “Omniscience, Tensed Facts, and Divine Eternity.” Faith and Philosophy 17 (2000): 225-241.
  • “ Relativity and the ‘Elimination’ of Absolute Time.” In Recent Advances in Relativity Theory. 2 Vols. Vol.1: Formal Interpretations, pp. 47-66. Ed. M. C. Duffy and Mogens Wegener. Palm Harbor, Flor.: Hadronic Press, 2000.
  • “Theistic Critiques of Atheism.” In The Cambridge Companion to Atheism, pp. 69-85. Ed. M. Martin. Cambridge Companions to Philosophy. Cambridge University Press, 2007.
  • “The Metaphysics of Special Relativity: Three Views.” In Einstein, Relativity, and Absolute Simultaneity, pp. 11-49. Ed. Wm. L. Craig and Quentin Smith. Routledge Studies in Contemporary Philosophy. London: Routledge, 2007.
  • “Creation and Divine Action.” In The Routledge Companion to Philosophy of Religion, pp. 318-28. Ed. Chad Meister and Paul Copan. London: Routledge, 2007.
  • “Naturalism and Intelligent Design.” In Intelligent Design, pp. 58-71. Ed. R. Stewart. Minneapolis: Fortress Press, 2007.
  • “The Indispensability of Theological Meta-Ethical Foundations for Morality.” In Ethics, Society, and Religion . Ed. K. Clark, Z. Qingxiong, and X. Yie. Christian Academics 5. Shanghai: Guji Press, 2007.

This is all just a partial list from two years of a publications list that spans over 35 years.  It is all a matter of fact. It is all right there in his credentials.

In sum, Dawkins and co. saying it doesn’t make it so…adding sarcasm and such doesn’t help.

Heck, it’s not like I’m worshipping Craig; a debate with any top Christian scholar will do. Alvin Plantinga; J.P Moreland; Stephen Meyer; Darrell Bock; Paul Copan; Paul Moser. The list goes on and on. All these guys and more are widely recognized scholarly authorities in fields in which Dawkins has often commented, and I’m willing to be they’d be willing to have an exchange or two with him.

Dawkins’ fans have been quick to insist that “rigorous Christian scholar” is an oxymoron. That is a load of Tosh. Such a claim only shows that those who say it have shut themselves in a skeptic ghetto and have not substantively engaged with their opposition. Disagree with them if you must, but calling them “country bumpkins” does not inspire confidence on your behalf.

All this makes Dawkins’ words quite strange, for he has gone after much lesser opponents.

In an epitome of bullying presumption, Craig now proposes to place an empty chair on a stage in Oxford next week to symbolise my absence. The idea of cashing in on another’s name by conniving to share a stage with him is hardly new. But what are we to make of this attempt to turn my non-appearance into a self-promotion stunt? In the interests of transparency, I should point out that it isn’t only Oxford that won’t see me on the night Craig proposes to debate me in absentia: you can also see me not appear in Cambridge, Liverpool, Birmingham, Manchester, Edinburgh, Glasgow and, if time allows, Bristol.

Normally I would think such an action to be presumptuous, but in this case, given the circumstances, I think it entirely called for. Recall that Dawkins has been eager to engage much lesser opponents. In addition, keep in mind that Dawkins has not merely rested content with academic study, experimenting in his lab and publishing the results in academia. He has gone public, often, brashly so, practically shouting from the rooftops that God “almost certainly” does not exist, and if He did, at least the biblical God would be guilty of crimes against humanity. He has made a career of doing so.

I have no problem with Dawkins proclaiming so. He–and his skeptic friends–have every right to do so and every right to insist that guys like me are actually, objectively wrong. However, the confidence (dare I say cockiness?) with which he does so should be in direct proportion to his willingness to engage the best the opposition has to offer. This is the main reason why I’m making such a big deal of this refusal. A guy who says the sorts of things he says and is as influential as he is deserves a bit of a ribbing if he refuses to do this. Though he has willingly shared a platform with religious folk, he cannot seriously lay claim to the supposition that he has done so with the best. Like I said above, he has plenty to choose from, though Craig is a game choice right in front of him.

I therefore find his list of other places he won’t be quite off, for there is a big difference between the event in Oxford and those other places. At Oxford tomorrow, he has a chance to put all the talk and questions to rest. He has a chance to put his best against the best of his critics, and to do so in front of an international audience. I doubt those other invitations—if they actually represent real invitations—offer that sort of shot.

It’s as if I, as a high school wrestling coach, make a consistent practice of trash talking our cross-town rivals, and when the opposing coach offers me the chance to put my money where my mouth is by dualing his team on a certain day, I reply with, “Bah. Self-promotion! I decline, just like I decline to wrestle Bathgate Elementary school, Newhart Middle School, and Arborland Montessori.”

But Craig is not just a figure of fun. He has a dark side, and that is putting it kindly. Most churchmen these days wisely disown the horrific genocides ordered by the God of the Old Testament.

What follows this is a lengthy tirade against Craig’s defense of God’s actions regarding the Canaanites, concluding with, “Would you shake hands with a man who could write stuff like that? Would you share a platform with him? I wouldn’t, and I won’t. Even if I were not engaged to be in London on the day in question, I would be proud to leave that chair in Oxford eloquently empty.”

A few observations here. First, when he says “most churchmen” disavow the part of the Bible in question, he exaggerates. There are plenty of “churchmen” and plenty of “scholars” who do no such disavowing. But that’s neither here nor there. The main point is that Dawkins’ response is simply an argument by outrage, which is not very rigorous, and the only ones who find it persuasive are ones who already agree with Dawkins, or those who are easily cowed by people who act offended.

What’s more, if Craig really is an “apologist for genocide,” here’s Dawkins’ chance to put him out to pasture. If he were to debate Craig, that does not amount to an endorsement of Craig’s beliefs, afterall. If Craig really is a fiend, he’s an influential one, and Dawkins has stated many a time that it is his life’s goal to wipe this sort of belief from the earth. This is as good a chance as it gets.  Dawkins would be defending the thesis of one of his best selling books.  Seems like a great opportunity for him.  Why so gun shy?

Thirdly, Dawkins can’t be serious. Afterall, elsewhere he has said:

The total amount of suffering per year in the natural world is beyond all decent contemplation. During the minute that it takes me to compose this sentence, thousands of animals are being eaten alive, many others are running for their lives, whimpering with fear, others are slowly being devoured from within by rasping parasites, thousands of all kinds are dying of starvation, thirst, and disease. It must be so. If there ever is a time of plenty, this very fact will automatically lead to an increase in the population until the natural state of starvation and misery is restored. In a universe of electrons and selfish genes, blind physical forces and genetic replication, some people are going to get hurt, other people are going to get lucky, and you won’t find any rhyme or reason in it, nor any justice. The universe that we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but pitiless indifference.

(“God’s Utility Function,” Scientific American, November, 1995, p. 85)

(HT: Wintery Knight)

Out of one side of his mouth, he denies the reality of evil and wickedness, but out of the other side of his mouth, he calls Craig’s beliefs wicked. He cannot have it both ways. He is either flatly contradicting his own worldview, borrowing capital when it is convenient, or he is merely expressing a personal dislike with Craig’s beliefs, as if saying “ewwww, broccoli.” In any case, he is not inspiring confidence.

What else can be said about all this? Dawkins and co. are quick to insinuate that Craig seems impressive simply because of his command of rhetoric. Craig “bamboozles his faith-head audience,” is how he puts it.

This is just beyond silly. If you ever watch him debate, you’ll see that Craig’s “debate style” is to stick to logical arguments, with premises backed up by historical and scientific evidence, and said premises lead deductively or inductively to a conclusion. He presses his opponents to either refute or rebut with premises more plausible than the ones he offered. He stays focused on the issue and does not rest content with rhetorical jabs and evasions from his opponents. Again, disagree with the arguments if you must, but don’t call this “bamboozling.”

Many who are outside the faithful (of Dawkins’ camp) are recognizing this for what it is. Richard Dawkins is being exposed.

Dealing with Balderdash

Yesterday I wrote a post on Richard Dawkins and one of his latest books titled The God Delusion.

That post garnered a few comments. One of them was from a gal named Susan.

Click on the link above to see the post and her comment. I think her comment deserves its own post.

Susan,

First, I think you misunderstood my first line. After I said being an atheist “is all the rage” I said “at least that’s what you’d think by a selective viewing of the media.” That second sentence makes a difference–my point was that a small batch of very evangelical atheists are utilizing the media to try to make theistic belief passe’ and unthinkable. Their books have sold well, and they are all over the media.

I looked up some of the passages you cite, and I have no clue how you can make them out to be saying “who you should kill” or “who you should hate.”

Here are a few examples:
Luke 19:27–The *Parable* of the ten talents. Jesus is *telling a story* about servants who were given a certain amount of money to invest. Two of the servants invest the money and get a return, the last one kept the money laid away.

In v26, Jesus gives the overall point. He quotes the king in the story: “I tell you that to everyone who has, more will be given, but as for the one who has nothing, even what he has will be taken away. v27–But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them–bring them over here and kill them in front of me.”

–I ask: where in that do you get that the Bible commands Christians to “kill those who do not believe in Jesus”?

Second example: Leviticus 26:29 Read the whole passage. It is about the punishment Israel will receive if they break the covenant and disobey God.

v27: “If in spite of this you still do not listen to me but continue to be hostile toward me, then in my anger I will be hostile toward you, and I myself will punish you for your sins seven times over. You will eat the flesh of your sons and the flesh of your daughters. I will destroy your high places…”

–I ask: where in the world do you get that God is commanding Christians to kill children and babies of enemies?

Third example: 1 Cor 11:14
In a section on appropriateness in worship, Paul says, “Does not the very nature of things teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a disgrace to him, but that if a woman has long hair, it is her glory?”

Sounds to me like the same thing as saying in *our culture* “guys, don’t show up to church in a dress, ok? Its appropriate for women, but not for you.”

Where did you get from that that the Bible commands Christians to “hate men with long hair?”

Susan, did you even read these verses? I’m not going to bother going through every one, because its not worth it.

Afterall, by the looks of it, it appears as if you didn’t give a second thought to this list at all. Why should I?

It looks like you merely copied them from some crack-pot atheist website. The danger of making lists like this is that some people will actually look up the passages and call your bluff. If you want me to take you seriously, you have to do better.

And your attempt to try to make context reading “namby-pamby” is…well, I don’t know what to call it, but its definitely not persuasive. Susan, all you are doing is name calling and using loaded language without argument, which is the very same thing the “New Atheists” do themselves.

Reading things in context is something we do naturally all the time outside the Bible, so why do you cry foul when we try to do it with the Bible?

Let me illustrate. Lets say I get a letter in my email from a girl I just took out on a date. It begins:

“Rich, I had fun last night. You are cute and funny.”

Pretty good, eh? Not so much. The letter continues:

“Funny looking, that is. You are only cute in the sense that my pug is cute. I had fun because it was such a riot laughing…at you. Your breath smells like garbage and you have enough backhair to make a pine forest. Please stay away from me, you dweeby, socially-retarded stinko.”

Read *out of context*, the first line looks promising, but read *in context* it has a totally different meaning. We do this all the time, and for good reason–meaning in the written and spoken word flows from whole to parts. You can’t just rip a verse out of context and try to make it look like whatever. You especially can’t get away with not even quoting the verse, but just announcing the reference in a list and slapping some title on it like “who you should kill.”

Are you kidding me?

And your last jab about “please don’t hurt anybody” is frankly childish and patronizing. If you want to discuss contrary views on this blog, you are welcome to. Bring the heat. But don’t talk down to me. That will get you banned.

Susan, the confidence and, yes, arrogance you display is not warranted by the strength of your arguments.

Book Review: The God Delusion, by Richard Dawkins

To be an atheist is all the rage these days.  Or at least that’s what you’d gather by a selective viewing of media shows. Since September 11, 2001, a new batch of particularly aggressive and media-savvy atheists have cropped up in popular culture. Their books are selling well. In fact, some of them have stayed pretty long on the NYT best-seller list.

So recently I decided to read three of those books.

The first one I read was The God Delusion, by Richard Dawkins. Dawkins is a very well known biologist and advocate of naturalistic science (the idea that science must be wedded to a worldview that holds that the physical world is all that exists.). He’s an Oxford fellow, and we all know that those who speak with a British accent and hail from Oxford are darn smart and therefore should be listened to, so I was anxious to see what all the hubbub was all about.

Dawkins’ project in the book is to convince us that religion is not only irrational, but immoral and bad for society.

The first two chapters of his book deal with some preliminary considerations (Did Einstein believe in God? No, when he said we would “know the mind of God” in the future, or “God does not play dice” he was using the word “God” in a very poetic, metaphorical sense.) and terminology. The main parts of his book, though, are chapters 3 and 4. In chapter 3 he engages in “deck clearing.” He takes a look at the arguments traditionally raised for God’s existence and finds them seriously wanting. Chapter 4 is the lynchpin of his book. In that chapter, he advances a positive intellectual case for atheism; that is, he advances an argument *for* atheism. After all, the title of that chapter is “Why there almost certainly is no god.” Bold title.

After that, he has to do damage control. Religion has traditionally served as the root of many important things (like morality, wonder, happiness, etc), and Dawkins now has to explain how those things can exist in the absence of religion. In Chapter 5 he tackles the widespread existence of religion itself: if it’s all just a sham, then why is religion so prevalent all over the world? Chapters 6 and 7 deal with morality; he advances an evolutionary explanation of morality and explains how we do not get our morality from the Bible. Chapter 8 details the damage religion has done to society, while he takes on the subject of a religious upbringing in chapter 9. He ends up saying that a religious education is “child abuse.” I am not exaggerating.

He ends the book in chapter 10 by claiming that a proper wonder of the physical world can fill the inspiration gap left by religion.

So that’s his project. What do I think?

I was very disappointed. After reading his book, I find Dawkins is hard to take seriously.

There are many things I could focus on. For example, I could focus on how his evolutionary account of morality is no “account” at all. The “morality” he ends up with is not morality but something completely different: a by-product of our evolutionary past. He only explains how we “behave” in a way that we call “moral.” This is a far cry from real morality. Morality is a deeply true feature of reality that we must submit to in our behavior. It prescribes our actions and attitudes. Reducing it to behavior that our genes have programmed into us is not morality, for it guts morality of things like obligation. Anyway…

Since chapters 3 and 4 are the main parts of his book, I’m going to focus my comments on those places. If he fails in those chapters, the rest of his book is a bust. That is, if he doesn’t dispatch with the arguments for theism and if he doesn’t succeed in convincing us that atheism is a rational position to hold, then he hasn’t “cleared the deck” for an atheistic understanding of reality in all the other key places. Religion is still the king of the hill.

As I mentioned earlier, in chapter 3 he takes on what he says are the main arguments for the existence of God. However, he ends up attacking several conveniently erected straw men instead. I’m a philosophy student. I’ve trafficked in that area for 10 years now. I deal with these things, and I didn’t recognize many of the arguments he addressed. He didn’t even acknowledge the best arguments; he acted like they didn’t exist. Where was the Kalam Cosmological argument? Where was the Moral argument? Where was the Argument from Consciousness?

Nowhere to be found.

He only interacted with one major Christian philosopher (Richard Swinburne), and he only interacted with him limitedly. He quoted him out of context and therefore set up yet another caricature. He pretended all the others (William Craig, J.P. Moreland, Paul Copan, Gary Habermas, Albert Mohler, Alvin Plantinga, William Alston, Paul Moser, etc, etc, etc) simply do not exist. When he did quote a Christian, most often it was either from one of his angry detractors (who send him letters), the “men on the street” who call him when he’s on the radio, or unsophisticated preachers and priests.

Alvin Plantinga--he'll kick your a**

Alvin Plantinga--he'll kick your a**

The arguments he did address were weak. He made them even weaker by making them into straw men. These are arguments that very learned men spent their lives expounding, defending, attacking, and thinking over. Mostly, Dawkins merely summarized them in a few lines, no more than a paragraph, then dispatched them in a few lines.

Let me give two examples. One “argument” he dispatches with is the “argument from beauty.” He summarizes it like this: “I have given up counting the number of times I receive the more or less truculent challenge: ‘How do you account for Shakespeare, then?’ The argument will be so familiar, I needn’t document it further. But the logic behind it is never spelled out… Obviously… Shakespeare’s sonnets (are sublime). They are sublime if God is there and they are sublime if he isn’t. They do not prove the existence of God; they prove the existence of Shakespeare. (p. 86)”

That’s it. No premised-out argument, no attempt at charitability. This might do for a small blog; but a popular-level book that is purporting to come from a sharp, keen mind? He must be more responsible.

William Alston

William Alston

There actually have been attempts to spell it out. Even if there weren’t, it wouldn’t be difficult for Dawkins to think it through. The argument, in its bare form, goes like this:

  1. There are autonomously aesthetic objects (Shakespeare, for instance, or Beethoven’s music, or the smell of a rose, etc). Defining “autonomous”: There are objects with aesthetic properties that do not depend upon subjective experiences… they are real objective aesthetic properties. These objects have aesthetic properties no matter how people respond/whether or not people recognize these properties… NOT: beauty is in the eye of the beholder… BUT: the object ITSELF IS beautiful, no matter who views/sees it.
  2. There must be some explanation for these aao’s.
  3. The explanation for the existence of aao’s is either natural or non-natural.
  4. If the explanation for the existence of aao’s is natural, it can be given in terms of the natural sciences (chemistry, biology, psychology…laws of nature)
  5. The existence of aao’s cannot be given in terms of the natural sciences.
  6. The explanation for the existence of aao’s must be non-natural

You can continue to carry the argument out in a way that leads to a supernatural/God explanation being the best explanation.

Now, that’s a world of difference from Dawkins’ caricature. For starters, the thrust of this argument is that beauty is an objective property (like morality, consciousness, etc) that calls for an explanation. Some explanations are better than others. The explanation theism gives is much better than the one naturalism (atheism) gives. That’s much different from asking “what accounts for Shakespeare” and it’s much different from snarking that “Shakespeare is sublime if God exists and sublime if he isn’t.” Yes, but there still needs to be an explanation…Dawkins is changing the subject.

Even if you don’t think the argument is successful ultimately, the point is that it’s much better than what Dawkins gave.

Secondly, he gives what he calls the “argument from Scripture.” The title he gives the argument is bad, for starters: it leads the reader to believe that the argument’s thrust is derived merely from something being written in the Bible (like those who say, “It’s in the Bible, God said it, and that’s that.”)…which is a straw man…but anyway.

First, he only gives five pages to a subject that people have written VOLUMES on…and most of Dawkins’ treatment is ridicule and fluff, not actually a précis.

Secondly, in this section, he deals with two purported “contradictions” in the Bible, and there is no attempt to even mention some of those who have answered those challenges. People have written answers to these “contradictions” for centuries, and for Dawkins to pretend they don’t exist is irresponsible at best, dishonest at worst.

Third, he says, “Ever since the nineteenth century, scholarly theologians have made an overwhelming case that the gospels are not reliable accounts of what happened in the history of the real world. All were written long after the death of Jesus, and also after the epistles of Paul, which mention almost none of the alleged facts of Jesus’ life. All were copied and recopied, through many different ‘Chinese Whispers generations’ (see Chapter 5) by fallible scribes who, in any case, had their own religious agendas. (p. 93)”

That’s it. No attempt to let SCHOLARS who have thought otherwise have a say. In fact, he gives the impression that all “scholars” agree with his assessment.

This is just bad.

Anytime someone does this with the arguments against his case and won’t address the most powerful arguments against him, its a major red flag. I had trouble trusting Dawkins on anything after reading this sham.

On to chapter four. In this chapter, he gives a positive argument for the NON-existence of God. One big problem with this chapter is that he only gives ONE argument, and he pretends like it’s a “silver bullet.” He pretends that it’s a knock-down argument against theism that can’t be defeated. That should tip you off: anytime someone only has ONE argument for his case, he’s hurtin’. If you do that, it had better be a pretttttttty doggone good argument.

So that I don’t already make this post longer than it is, go here for a treatment of God Delusion chapter 4 (The author also has some good comments on chapter 3.). Or, if you prefer a more concise analysis, see my post linking to William Lane Craig’s comments here.

Another thing about chapter four: He derides those who make metaphysical (as opposed to scientific) claims and speculations, but he makes metaphysical claims and speculations of his own… see, for example, his talk of the “multiverse” on page 145, which has absolutely zero empirical evidence confirming it.

All this should tell you that the rest of his book is highly suspect.

In conclusion, he promises big things, but never comes through. He relies heavily on caricature, ridicule, name calling, and loaded language, but has little substance. There are better defenses of atheism out there.


Richard Dawkins: Paper Tiger

See William Lane Craig lay the smackdown on Richard Dawkins’ main argument from The God Delusion.