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Glenn Beck Gettin’ People all Hot and Bothered

Just the other day I ran into a new blog, and I’m dissapointed that I didn’t run into it sooner: Rage Against the Minivan.

RATMv is a blog by Kristen Howerton, wife of a friend of mine, Mark.  Mark used to be a pastor at RockHarbor, my church, before he moved onto other ventures in counseling, of which he has a gift.

The Howertons have an interesting life, I have to say.  For one, they have two kids of their own and two adopted kids from Haiti.  This makes for some very amusing blog posts, mostly about how the kids are adjusting to life in the U.S, how mom, dad, and siblings are adjusting to each other, and how other people react to them when they are out and about.

One thing I quickly noticed from the blog is that Kristen and I differ widely on our views regarding a LOT of things.  More on that in a minute.  What I noticed the most, however, is that Kristen is such a talented writer.  She’s got this humorous authenticity about her writing that makes her posts so addicting to read.  She has a knack of turning ordinary happenings about parenting into the most rip-laughing stories you can read.  And it looks effortless, although I’m sure it’s not.  I’ve become a fan of her blog, and you should too.

Ok, on to an area of difference.  I read with great interest a post about something Glenn Beck said:

I’m begging you, your right to religion and freedom to exercise religion and read all of the passages of the Bible as you want to read them and as your church wants to preach them . . . are going to come under the ropes in the next year. If it lasts that long it will be the next year. I beg you, look for the words ‘social justice’ or ‘economic justice’ on your church Web site. If you find it, run as fast as you can. Social justice and economic justice, they are code words. Now, am I advising people to leave their church? Yes!

She quoted the above from Beck and noted it made her blood boil, adding “I don’t think the latest Glenn Beck quote needs any editorial from me.”  In other words, she said that his words are so obviously wrong and out of bounds that just quoting them is sufficient to show how wrong they are.  At the end of the post she added a video where Beck mentioned that the Nazis and the Communists of the mid 20th century both ascribed to a philosophy that used the phrase “social justice” as a buzz word to stand for their views on economics and society.  Again, no real commentary, just implied extreme dissaproval.

In one sense, I can see why Kristen was upset.  For one, she is very passionate about service to the poor and helping those in need.  Those things are integral parts of being a disciple of Christ.  They are not optional.  I’ll describe below how the term “social justice” is a bit of a misnomer when used to label things like that, but it stands to reason that Jesus wasn’t joking when he gave the parable of the Good Samaritan.

Secondly, Beck’s words are quite inflammatory.  Beck is one of the media types that, many times, exaggerates his statements intentionally in order to get a rise out of people.  Talk show hosts and political pundits on both sides of the political and worldview spectrum do this, and they do it because it drives up ratings and brings attention to their shows.  This is, somewhat unfortunately, the nature of the beast.  That observation in no way excuses the comments that fall under that banner; most of the time that sort of tactic is simply not helpful in bringing true understanding.  It draws more heat than light and should only be used sparingly.  Beck and co. use it a tad more than that.

Though I’m not one of the folks (like many of the post’s commenters) who loudly proclaims disgust and hatred for Beck–I simply don’t have time to watch him and others like him that much, so I don’t have a dog in that fight–I know the type well enough to at least acknowledge that drawback of the “inflamatory” approach.

That being said, however, I think Kristen might have missed a deeper point Beck was trying to make.  I can’t tell for sure, because I don’t have the context of the quote and video, but if I were to give the most charitable interpretation of that quote possible (and I’m pretty sure charity towards one’s interlocutors is a virtue), it would be that Beck wasn’t putting down service to the poor and such.  Beck is a Mormon, afterall, and they thrive on such service.  I should know: a significant portion of the wrestling team I coach is Mormon, and I’ve been the recipient of their care more than a time or two.  Rather, he was making the following point(s):

First, the phrase “social justice” is the wrong phrase to use when describing things like serving the poor and helping the destitute.  There’s no “justice” about it, usually.  It’s not as if someone wronged them or harmed them in a way and Christians are seeking to right that wrong.  They’re just down on their luck, hurting, in a place of need, or all three.  Though some people whom we help are in a tight spot due to having an injustice done to them, that’s not the way it is with many we seek to help under the banner of “social justice.”  The recent surge to help those affected by the earthquakes in Haiti and Chile are cases in point.  That doesn’t minimize their hurt, devastation, or need,  nor does it in any way minimize our obligation to lend a helping hand.  It just means that calling them “justice” issues is not accurate.

Secondly, there is a trend in a significant number of churches to focus on popular issues like AIDS, serving the poor, etc, call them “social justice” issues, and completely ignore issues that really *are* justice issues, like abortion (afterall, if killing a human being because it is in the way of one’s desired lifestyle isn’t an injustice, I don’t know what is) that are more unpopular to talk about and address.

Thirdly and relatedly, there is another trend in many churches to turn this truncated “social justice” view into the whole message of Jesus.  Judging from what they emphasize and are passionate about, you’d think that Jesus wasn’t about dying on the cross to justify sinful people before a holy God.  He was only about relieving economic suffering and other pain in this world.  Again, Jesus did care about the poor and the obligation to relieve pain and suffering of fellow humans has been passed to us, His followers.  The problem is when that becomes the whole picture, which is what many (albeit some unintentionally do this because it’s part of our culture, popular, and it’s what they’ve been taught) in the pews and pulpits are doing. This is a troubling trend, and I’m not the only one who has seen it.

Lastly, to many, the phrase “social justice” stands for a lot more than relieving pain and suffering to one’s neighbor; it stands for a certain political ideology that centers on redistribution of wealth and larger government programs to achieve a man-made utopia.  Unfortunately, this political ideology has taken root in an increasing number of churches, and it obscures the true meaning of loving one’s neighbor. 

I think Beck was saying that if you read a church’s mission statement and it focuses on the phrase “social justice” and mentions nothing or little about the cross, the resurrection, sinful human beings, the judgment of God, and our obligation to evangelize by sharing with others how Jesus has paid our sin debt, that is a red flag (no pun intended) that said church errs in one or all of those ways above.  Beck was saying that these churches, due to their unbalance, are not healthy churches, and you should leave them. 

Why was Kristen so upset?  Beyond the exaggerated nature of his tone that I pointed out above, perhaps when Kristen hears the phrase “social justice,” she thinks of something other than what Beck was talking about.  Perhaps it’s just a case of miscommunication and equivocation of terms.  That is part of the problem: well meaning Christians use that term when talking about alleviating suffering and pain, not being aware of the trappings that are increasingly coming along for the ride in it.  If Beck really meant what I outlined above, then I’m interested to get her thoughts on it.

There was some unnecessary “chicken little” speak in his words, but if all that is what he was getting at, then I agree with him.  It is amazing that Beck–a Mormon–can see that, whereas so many of us in the Christian Church are oblivious to it.

Plainspoken Reality

Stuart Smalley knew a thing or two.  My favorite line of his was, “Denial is not only a river in Egypt, you know.”

The other week , that little gem popped into my head as I engaged in a discussion on Facebook.  My friend Ken had written a status update insinuating that Barack Obama is not a Christian.  As Ken’s status updates oftentimes do (he has a knack–some would even call it a gift–others a curse–for this), it sparked quite a response.

A few Obama supporters jumped into the fray almost immediately, calling Ken’s ability to see accurately into question.  After reading their statements and cleverly worded questions (I gotta give props, honestly), I decided to jump right in.  My comments were generally ignored  (Perhaps that’s my “gift.”  Or maybe folks think I’m on crack and it’s best to leave me alone.  I can’t tell which.), but they generated a wee bit of conversation here and there.

My first comment was:

“You shall know them by their fruits.”

We harp on the importance of actions all the time. If ever there were an instance to put stress on one’s actions, this would be it.

 

Though one can no doubt find many relevant actions, I had his actions on one issue primarily in mind.  Anyone care to take a guess?

I don’t care what euphemisms he uses to describe the act.  Thinking it’s ok for doctors to crush and dismember an unborn child is incompatible with the Holy Spirit.  When folks suggest that someone with his kind of record on abortion and his apathy toward the carnage can know Jesus, they jump the shark.

My friend replied:

We don’t know him well enough to be a proper judge of his fruit. We may wish that he uses his platform differently, but none of us are close enough to the President to be able to make that judgement.

I dunno ’bout that.  When a politician works to defeat legislation that would protect children who are born alive after a failed abortion attempts (read the above link), I don’t need to sit down and have a beer with him to evaluate the fruit.  He has pledged his life and resources to defending the “right” for parents to kill their unborn children. He is part of the 40 million legacy. That is a rotten fruit of an enormous magnitude. This is something more than being merely wrong or misguided.

Here’s where the conversation got real interesting.  Or frustrating…you decide.  He replied:

So the test if someone is a believer in Christ or not is their stance on Roe v Wade?

Me:

You make it sound merely intellectual, like I’m saying that someone’s mere opinion on a mere court case determines salvation. That is a straw man. You know better.

It is really not that complicated. Giving oneself towards the cause of killing babies (that they are in utero makes no difference…they’re still babies. In Obama’s case, it’s even worse than that–he’s defended killing babies that are 90% out of the womb) is really hard to square with claiming to know Jesus.

Watch an abortion or see pictures of what it does to the unborn, and you will no longer be able to ask that question with a straight face.

I’ve reflected since then, and I’m convinced I should have spoken even more plainly.  As Princeton Professor Robert George quips, “One does not treat an interlocutor with respect if one refuses to speak plainly. Candor, far from being the enemy of civility, is one of its preconditions.”  The Old Testament prophets, Jesus, Paul, and the apostles all lived by that principle.  Some might balk at the harshness of the reflections that follow, but they are needed; this is no mere intellectual matter. My friend and I disagree deeply about a very important issue.  Sometimes “making nice” is not the best policy.  My hope is that if you call yourself pro-life but think that Roe, for some reason, should remain the law, my words make you think twice.

My friend made other comments: that Republicans vocally say they are against Roe but do nothing about it (not true), and that Obama wants to lower abortion rates by teaching about contraception (disingenuous, given his record, and his comments at Notre Dame.  What’s more, the goings on of a “common ground” meeting at the White House two days before his Notre Dame speech showed his intent even more clearly.).  These are claims I wanted to respond to, but they did not represent what concerned me most about the discussion.  Really, the question that kicked off dicussion–is Obama Christian?–wasn’t my main focus at this point.

Two things concerned me most: 1) The clever euphemisms surrounding abortion that my friend continued to employ, and 2) his failure to see or acknowledge a heinous evil entrenched in current law.

He tried to make it sound like I was claiming that just someone’s thoughts on a court case determines his/her salvation. In doing so, he attempted to suck the meaning out of the word “abortion.” A moment’s thought at what abortion actually is will show that question to be a strawman. This is no esoteric court case. Roe entrenched discrimination into our law. From 1973 onward, the notion that some human beings are more worthy of protection than others has been a part of our legal fabric. Not just that, but Roe made dismembering unborn human beings limb-by-limb an ok thing to do.

How could someone who is pro-life, who supposedly believes in the equal fundamental value of all and that every member of the human family possesses certain rights (including the right to life) just in virtue of being human, really think that Roe should remain intact?  Roe cemented into our culture the exact opposite of that bedrock pro-life value.  Ever since 1973, our law has declared that some human beings are more deserving of protection than others; that some human beings can be killed solely due to their parents’ whim; that the most vulnerable human beings–the unborn, who have no voice–are less worthy and valuable.

How can someone be pro-life but not be for doing away with that law?  Even though overturning Roe won’t bring the number of abortions to 0, it is an absolutely disgusting and vile law, just like laws allowing slavery, and just like segregation laws.  It should not just be done away with; it should be trashed.

Life at the Bottom

Very often, my partner-in-blogging Wintery Knight recommends books.  He recommends more books than I know what to do with–I swear the written word is a food group to this man–so I usually just let the book recommendation trot on by without much ado.  Call it the “drink from a fire hydrant” syndrome.

But I dabbled tonight in a recent recommendation of his–partly because the dabbling is free, and partly because they author’s name is so dang quirky.  I mean, geez, what could I do with a name like Dalrymple.

The Dalrymple is a psychologist in a hospital in an area beset with problems of crime and violence, so he gets to see the habits and lifestyles of what he calls “the underclass” in a way few politicians and intellectuals do.  His whole book is about how the policies and worldview of the secular left is fomenting those problems and how those policies are keeping such folks poor and vulnerable.

I’ve only read a few of the chapters, but so far it’s good stuff.  I highly recommend it.  You can access the whole book–for free!–by visiting WK’s site here.

Here are a few excerpts.  I hope you’ll permit me to quote at length.  I simply can’t divy it down to sound bites and at the same time do justice to the thrust of the quotes.

On the bitter fruits of the sexual revolution:

The sexual revolutionaries wanted to liberate sexual relations from all but the merest biological content. Henceforth such relations were not to be subject to restrictive bourgeois contractual arrangements—or, heaven forbid, sacraments—such as marriage; no social stigma was to attach to any sexual conduct that had hitherto been regarded as reprehensible. The only criterion governing the acceptability of sexual relations was the mutual consent of those entering upon them: no thought of duty to others (one’s own children, for example) was to get in the way of the fulfillment of desire. Sexual frustration that resulted from artificial social obligations and restrictions was the enemy, and hypocrisy—the inevitable consequence of holding people to any standard of conduct whatsoever—was the worst sin.

That the heart wants contradictory, incompatible things; that social conventions arose to resolve some of the conflicts of our own impulses; that eternal frustration is an inescapable concomitant of civilization, as Freud had observed—all these recalcitrant truths fell beneath the notice of the proponents of sexual liberation, dooming their revolution to ultimate failure.

The failure hit the underclass hardest. Not for a moment did the sexual liberators stop to consider the effects upon the poor of the destruction of the strong family ties that alone made emergence from poverty possible for large numbers of people. They were concerned only with the petty dramas of their own lives and dissatisfactions. But by obstinately overlooking the most obvious features of reality, as did my 17-year-old patient who thought that men’s superior physical strength was a socially constructed sexist myth, their efforts contributed in no small part to the intractability of poverty in modern cities, despite vast increases in the general wealth: for the sexual revolution has turned the poor from a class into a caste, from which escape is barred so long as that revolution continues.

On how the new nonjudgmentalism (one that many of my students are unable to shake) is neither right nor compassionate:

Not long ago I asked a patient of mine how he would describe his own character. He paused for a moment, as if savoring a delicious morsel.

“I take people as they come,” he replied in due course. “I’m very nonjudgmental.”

As his two roommates had recently decamped, stealing his prize possessions and leaving him with ruinous debts to pay, his neutrality toward human character seemed not generous but stupid, a kind of prophylactic against learning from experience. Yet nonjudgmentalism has become so universally accepted as the highest, indeed the only, virtue that he spoke of his own character as if pinning a medal for exceptional merit on his own chest.

That same week I was consulted by another patient who had experienced even worse consequences of nonjudgmentalism, though this time not entirely her own. Her life had been that of the modern slum dweller: three children by different fathers, none of whom supported her in any way and the last of whom was a vicious, violent drunk. She had separated from him by fleeing with their two-year-old to a hostel for battered women; soon afterward she found herself an apartment whose whereabouts he did not know.

Unfortunately, sometime later she was admitted to the hospital for an operation. As she had no one to whom she could entrust the child, she turned to Social Services for help. The social workers insisted, against her desperate pleas, that the child should stay with his biological father while she was in the hospital. They were deaf to her argument that he was an unsuitable guardian, even for two weeks: he would regard the child as an encumbrance, an intolerable interference with his daily routine of drinking, whoring, and fighting. They said it was wrong to pass judgment on a man like this and threatened her with dire consequences if she did not agree to their plan. So the two-year-old was sent to his father as they demanded.

Within the week he and his new girlfriend had killed the child by swinging him against the wall repeatedly by his ankles and smashing his head. At this somewhat belated juncture, society did reluctantly make a judgment: the murderers both received life sentences.

Of course, the rush to nonjudgment is in part a reaction against the cruel or unthinking application of moral codes in the past. A friend of mine recently discovered a woman in her nineties who had lived as a “patient” in a large lunatic asylum for more than 70 years but whose only illness—as far as he was able to discover—had been to give birth to an illegitimate child in the 1920s. No one, surely, would wish to see the return of such monstrous incarceration and cavalier destruction of women’s lives: but it does not follow from this that mass illegitimacy (33 percent in the country as a whole, 70 percent in my hospital) is a good thing, or at least not a bad thing. Judgment is precisely that—judgment. It is not the measure of every action by an infallible and rigid instrument.

Apologists for nonjudgmentalism point, above all, to its supposed quality of compassion. A man who judges others will sometimes condemn them and therefore deny them aid and assistance: whereas the man who refuses to judge excludes no one from his all-embracing compassion. He never asks where his fellowman’s suffering comes from, whether it be self-inflicted or no: for whatever its source, he sympathizes with it and succors the sufferer.

The housing department of my city holds fast to this doctrine. It allocates scarce public housing, it says in its self-congratulatory leaflets, solely on the basis of need (give or take a nepotistic connection or two—after all, even the nonjudgmental are human). It never asks how the need arose in the first place: it is there to care, not to condemn.

In practice, of course, things are a little different. It is true that the housing department makes no judgments as to the deserts of the applicants for its largesse, but that is precisely why it cannot express any human compassion whatever. Its estimation of need is mathematical, based on a perverse algebra of sociopathology. To return to the case of my patient whose child had been murdered: she was driven from her home by her neighbors, who felt that she was responsible for the death of her child and therefore acted as good, outraged citizens by twice attempting to burn down her apartment. Thereafter she found cheap lodgings in a house where there also lodged a violent drug addict, who forced his attentions upon her. When she applied to the housing department for help, it refused her on the grounds that she was already adequately housed, in the sense of having four walls around her and a roof over her head (and it would be wholly wrong to stigmatize drug addicts as undesirable neighbors), and also because she had no young dependents—her only young dependent having been murdered and therefore not part of the equation. Stones might have wept at my patient’s predicament, but not the housing department: it is far too nonjudgmental to do so.

Experience has taught me that it is wrong and cruel to suspend judgment, that nonjudgmentalism is at best indifference to the suffering of others, at worst a disguised form of sadism. How can one respect people as members of the human race unless one holds them to a standard of conduct and truthfulness? How can people learn from experience unless they are told that they can and should change? One doesn’t demand of laboratory mice that they do better: but man is not a mouse, and I can think of no more contemptuous way of treating people than to ascribe to them no more responsibility than such mice.

In any case, nonjudgmentalism is not really nonjudgmental. It is the judgment that, in the words of a bitter Argentinean tango, “todo es igual, nada es mejor”: everything is the same, nothing is better. This is as barbaric and untruthful a doctrine as has yet emerged from the fertile mind of man.

Good stuff.

Abortion and Caring for the Already Born

When pro-lifers give reasons why abortion is wrong and/or why it should be illegal, one common retort goes something like this:

What are you doing to help those that are already born?  Most pro-lifers raise cain about abortion but don’t do anything to help children in need.  Once the child is born, they stop caring.

The retort is an emotionally and rhetorically powerful one, and it stops  many people short.  When it’s examined more in depth, though, it lacks substance.

There is a point behind the challenge, isn’t there?  Notice the subtle implication: unless you do something to help children once they are born, you are disqualified from being able to speak about abortion.

My question is: how does that follow?  Let’s say that I do absolutely nothing to help children in this world.  Does that mean abortion is then ok?  No, that is a non-sequitur.  You might as well say, “if you don’t smuggle any slaves into the north or don’t buy any slaves’ freedom, you can’t speak against slavery,” or, as Koukl quips in the audio below, “unless  you are willing to marry a battered woman, you shouldn’t be speaking against the husband who beat her.”  Doing nothing to help a born child no more disqualifies me to speak against abortion than doing nothing to help a rape victim disqualifies me to speak against rape.

The moral equation makes absolutely no sense.  Unless I’m willing to care for children that are born, I shouldn’t be objecting to women and men who want to kill those children?  If the unborn is a human being, we shouldn’t be killing it for the reasons people give for killing it, and even if I don’t adopt those children, that doesn’t mean I must muzzle the voice inside me that says, “don’t kill them.”

At any rate, it is wholly false that pro-lifers do little to nothing to care for born children.  There are more Crisis Pregnancy Centers in this nation than there are abortion clinics.  These are clinics that are privately funded by individuals, not by services they provide (unlike abortion clinics, which are funded in part by…well…abortion).  There are great numbers of pro-life people who are caring for born children just like those individuals who give money to CPC’s.  My church is another example.  Just the other week, the leaders at my church announced a campaign to financially sponsor refugee children in Northern Uganda who have been made refugees from the conflict with the LRA rebel army in that region.  Financially sponsoring a child in the Africa Renewal Ministry program would help give education, shelter, and food to him/her.  It is not a one time gift; rather, it entails a monthly commitment.  The ARM project had a few hundred children to be sponsored.  In two days, individuals from my church sponsored every single child from that project (my wife and I are sponsoring two such children).  This is not an isolated incident: RockHarbor does things like this regularly, and every time, whether the need arises from India, Africa, New Orleans, Mexico, Watts, or in our back yard of Costa Mesa, the congregation picks up the gauntlet without hesitation.  Koukl gives a few other examples of some of the lengths him and his wife go to care for born children.  Quite a few pro-life couples I know have adopted children, and still others (one of whom is in my men’s Bible study) mentor kids in the foster care system.

The bottom line is that even if I buy the moral equation above (I don’t), the characterization often given of pro-lifers who only protest but do nothing with their resources to care for the born in this world is absolutely false on its face.  Look around.

I’m wary of answering challenges like that, though.  As demonstrated by a recent conversation with a caller to Greg Koukl’s radio show, some who give it tend to “move the goal line.”  When talking with critics who offer the objection, sometimes what counts as “helping” keeps changing, making conversations with these folks rather frustrating.

Methinks I Smell a Ruse

We don’t care what they say in order to get elected in this religious country. We care about what kind of judges they give us on the Supreme Court, because only the Supreme Court determines if we’ll have secular government . . . Don’t look to the rhetoric they need to pander to, remember what country they’re running in. I don’t care what kind of verbal obeisance they pay to religion if that’s what it takes to get a person in the White House who will give us church-state separationists on the Supreme Court.

–Eddie Tabash, 2007, to the Atheist Alliance International

 

For those that don’t know of Tabash, he is a lawyer in California and is Chair of the First Amendment Task Force for the Council for Secular Humanism. Generally speaking, he’s a very vocal activist for secular humanism.

 

The comment above was, in Doug Wilson’s words, uttered in a moment of “ill-advised candor.”  Tabash was talking about the habit of some secular politicians of parroting some “faith-community” talk in order to get elected to office.

Revealing in more ways than one, don’t you think?

“A Bit Much?” Said the Desert to the Grain of Sand

This has been a week full of irony.
Wintery asks some good questions.  A taste:

 

How ironic: a pro-abortion person calling pro-lifers murderers. It seems to me that it is pro-abortionists who advocate the actual murder of hundreds of millions of innocent unborn children. And remember the recent murder of a pro-life activist by a pro-abortion zealot. And here’s a recent attempted murder of a pro-lifer. Those are from the last few months alone.

 

Did you hear about that in the MSM?  Thought so.

 

Wintery moves on:

 

…Are pro-abortionists informed about the case for the pro-life position?

 

Well, consider how they censor the pro-life clubs on campus. Do you think they are open-minded and tolerant of opposing views? I can probably make a more persuasive case for the pro-abortion view than militant pro-abortionists like Josh Kolic can. I’ve actually heard their arguments presented in debates that I chose to listen to. Josh wants to censor opposing views. That is pure intolerance.

 

Remember this?

 

 

The pro-abortion groups who pull this kind of shlock are doing pro-lifers a favor.  Every time they hoot and shout and drown out the pro-life view by noise and force, they come off as looking ill-informed, reactionary, and..yes…quite intolerant.

 

Let’s say Canada does invade from the north.  Will they have guns and knives?  Perhaps not.  How about duct tape and athletic socks?  Far more likely.

Abortion in the Case of Rape

There are a thousand reasons why I love my job.

Reason # 856:

I had my students write on a journal question today: what is something you believe in so strongly that you’d continue to believe in it even if it was unpopular?

Some students struggled to think of something.  They asked me for an example.  I gave them one from my life: “I’m pro-life.  I have excellent reason to think that the unborn is a human being from conception, and human beings have rights.  Therefore, even if all my friends became avidly pro-choice, I’d still be pro-life.”

One student immediately objected: “what about a child conceived by rape?”

Situations like this are an open invitation to get them to think and reason.  I love it.

My answer: “you know, I agree that that is a horrible situation.  I can’t even imagine the pain the woman in that situation would be going through.  But, you know, why punish the child just because his father is a rapist?”

Some would consider that too much, but I reason: if the unborn are human beings (we have excellent reason scientifically and philosophically to think they are), then they have rights.  Why wouldn’t we allow a mother to kill his three year old because she reminded her of a traumatic event?  Answer: because she is a human being.  Same in the case of abortion.

He balked, and continued to object.  “Every time the woman would look at the kid, it would remind her of the rape.  Would you want her to go through that?”

I assured him that his question was an emotionally powerful one (you always want to give props where you can to those that disagree with you); I can’t even begin to conceive of the pain, but I reiterated that the woman shouldn’t victimize the child because she herself was victimized.  I also noted that having the abortion wouldn’t solve the emotional problem; it would only compound it with some hefty guilt.

He hung onto his beliefs tenaciously, which wasn’t surprising; people tend to dig in when their friends are watching.
Eventually, I called his bluff: “I disagree with your reasoning, but let me concede the point just for the sake of discussion.  So abortion in the case of rape is permissable.  Will you then join with pro-lifers in fighting for the rights of the unborn who stand to be aborted for elective reasons?”

His answer: NO.

This was very revealing.  The “rape” question was a red herring.  Many pro-choicers I’ve met go to that case immediately, not because it’s a really sticky question for them, but because they are using it as a way to justify abortion for any reason whatsoever.

That’s a hard leap of faith for them to make, though.