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Conversations

I just finished listening to a conversation between JP Moreland, professor of philosophy at Talbot School of Theology, and Mike Erre, the teaching pastor at Rock Harbor church (which happens to be the church  I attend). JP is a philosopher extraordinaire, while Mike is a great teaching pastor and budding author.  His latest book is titled Death by Church.  In the conversation, both men talk about doubt, frustrations with church, and they answer questions from the online audience.  Questions range over many topics, such as same sex marriage, political philosophy, and evangelism.

Go check it out.  Both men make some great points.  Though I disagree at some junctures with his emphasis, Mike touches upon some very needed truths for the American church today, and as always, JP puts things so succinctly.

N.T Wright on Gay Clergy

N.T Wright on The Episcopal Church deciding to allow gay clergy into the ministry:

Of course, matters didn’t begin with the consecration of Gene Robinson. The floodgates opened several years before, particularly in 1996 when a church court acquitted a bishop who had ordained active homosexuals. Many in TEC have long embraced a theology in which chastity, as universally understood by the wider Christian tradition, has been optional.

That wider tradition always was counter-cultural as well as counter-intuitive. Our supposedly selfish genes crave a variety of sexual possibilities. But Jewish, Christian and Muslim teachers have always insisted that lifelong man-plus-woman marriage is the proper context for sexual intercourse. This is not (as is frequently suggested) an arbitrary rule, dualistic in overtone and killjoy in intention. It is a deep structural reflection of the belief in a creator God who has entered into covenant both with his creation and with his people (who carry forward his purposes for that creation).

Paganism ancient and modern has always found this ethic, and this belief, ridiculous and incredible. But the biblical witness is scarcely confined, as the shrill leader in yesterday’s Times suggests, to a few verses in St Paul. Jesus’s own stern denunciation of sexual immorality would certainly have carried, to his hearers, a clear implied rejection of all sexual behaviour outside heterosexual monogamy. This isn’t a matter of “private response to Scripture” but of the uniform teaching of the whole Bible, of Jesus himself, and of the entire Christian tradition.

The appeal to justice as a way of cutting the ethical knot in favour of including active homosexuals in Christian ministry simply begs the question. Nobody has a right to be ordained: it is always a gift of sheer and unmerited grace. The appeal also seriously misrepresents the notion of justice itself, not just in the Christian tradition of Augustine, Aquinas and others, but in the wider philosophical discussion from Aristotle to John Rawls. Justice never means “treating everybody the same way”, but “treating people appropriately”, which involves making distinctions between different people and situations. Justice has never meant “the right to give active expression to any and every sexual desire”.

Such a novel usage would also raise the further question of identity. It is a very recent innovation to consider sexual preferences as a marker of “identity” parallel to, say, being male or female, English or African, rich or poor. Within the “gay community” much postmodern reflection has turned away from “identity” as a modernist fiction. We simply “construct” ourselves from day to day.

We must insist, too, on the distinction between inclination and desire on the one hand and activity on the other — a distinction regularly obscured by references to “homosexual clergy” and so on. We all have all kinds of deep-rooted inclinations and desires. The question is, what shall we do with them? One of the great Prayer Book collects asks God that we may “love the thing which thou commandest, and desire that which thou dost promise”. That is always tough, for all of us. Much easier to ask God to command what we already love, and promise what we already desire. But much less like the challenge of the Gospel.

HT:  Bob Hyatt

Read the whole piece here

Sparks

The conversation I referenced in yesterday’s post also had bits of “soul-mate-ism” in it.

Man alive, we younguns have such high standards for a mate these days! Well, let me qualify: for us, some things, like godliness, virtue, potential to be a great father/mother, love of God, commitment to Christ, spending habits, etc, are negotiable. If we meet a person that sufficiently sets off sparks in the gut, we can manage without all that. Afterall, missionary dating is all the rage! Perhaps your sweetie will grow a love for God as a result of dating you!

But there absolutely has to be this, this, this, ineffable quality about the person that just makes you come alive. When you meet this person, you just know. S/he completes you. S/he is “the one.” You can’t define it, but you know it when you….feel it. God made him/her just for you, and nothing could be more obvious.

Even if we don’t put it like that, that’s how many of us in my generation think, feel, and live.

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Migration

Ever hear the adage that the West is increasingly thumbing its nose at God, but that God is by no means inactive; He is moving mightily in the East and South? Tim Challies, at his blog, reviewed a book on that phenomena by historian Mark Noll. Though Challies contends Noll’s book has its weaknesses (lack of qualifying what, exactly, a Christian church is), Tim notes that it is a needed and encouraging report.

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Banality Invades the Holy

It makes me want to wretch.

I’m a fan of Twitter.  I own a Facebook account.  I sit typing this on a blog.  I am forever greateful for the conversation I’ve had over the web and the friends I’ve been able to reconnect with over New Media.  Several awesome ministry opportunities have come my way via FB that I otherwise wouldn’t have had.  The list goes on; you get the idea…

Churches and individual believers need to utilize the New Media in creative ways to engage the culture.

But Twittering in Church?  Heavens ta mergatroy–this is going to go down in Church history as one of the  sillier reactions to culture.  Our history is fraught with times when we have uncritically embraced a part of culture.  In this instance, the pastors are  well meaning, but their plans are ill-conceived.

Isn't God gr--SQUIRREL!

Isn't God gr--SQUIRREL!

For one, the last thing I need when trying to listen to God is more chatter.  That is exactly what Twitter specializes in: noisy banter.   When I listen to a speaker, if a couple is flapping their jaws next to me, it is distracting.  If 50 couples next to me are doing the same, the noise completely hinders my ability to hear the speaker.  The principle is the same no matter if the chatter is happening in the digital world.  This strikes me as mule-horse common-sense.

I know God is sovereign and can break through the thickest human wall, but that does not mean we should go about purposely erecting them.  Jesus, when He was on earth, often retreated to silent places of solitude to focus on God.  Seems like God prefers that way of getting to us.

Talk about the sermon afterwards, but during the sermon and worship service, shut up and ponder.  Marinate.  Chew.  Listen.

A lot of the tweets are banal and utterly trivial.

“So glad they are doing Lenny Kravitz.”

“Nice shirt JVo.”

“Sometimes healing hurts.”

Are you kidding me?  Even the non-trivial tweets (sometimes healing hurts) are incredibly vapid.  If this is what passes as “experiencing God,” I’m outta here.  Moreover, Twitter in church flattens worship; placing the banal thoughts next to deeper thoughts treats them all the same.  It levels the playing field.  Everything is an inch deep and mile wide.  It’s similar to what has happened with the local news–a 1 min story on a heinous murder is followed by the latest 2 minute news on Paris Hilton, which is followed by a short blurb about the Mayor’s most recent prognostications on the economy, which is followed by a 3 minute information piece on how breathing can kill you.  A 90 second piece on the day’s Brangelina sighting tops it all off.  No effort to put the pieces in a hierarchy or order them in importance.  In a world of rapid fire information, everything becomes the latest Brangelina sighting.

Reducing worshipful thought to 140 characters sucks the life out of it.  I simply don’t need more bumper sticker Christianity.  Putting slogans on cars is enough.  Bringing them into the worship service goes way too far.

John Piper puts  it right:  there is a difference between communion with God and commenting on communion with God.  He goes on:

Preaching and hearing preaching are worship. Preaching is expository exultation. The preacher is explaining the Bible and applying the Bible and EXULTING over the truth in the Bible. The listener is understanding, and applying, and joining in the exultation. Hearing preaching is heart-felt engagement in the exposition and exultation of the Word of God.

This is a fragile bond. The fact that an electric cord is easily cut, does not mean that the power flowing through it is small. It produces bright and wonderful effects. So it is with preaching. Great power flows through fragile wires of spiritual focus.

Perfume can break it. A ruffled collar can break it. A cough can break it. A whisper can break it. Clipping fingernails, chewing gum, a memory, a stomach growl, a sunbeam, and a hundred other things can break it. The power that flows through the wire of spiritual attention is strong, but the wire is weak.

(Citation on Piper: Boundless)

Piper really nails it when he comments,

…use Twitter before and after corporate worship to say what you take in and take out. But when you are in corporate worship, Worship! There is a difference between communion with God and commenting on communion with God.

Don’t tweet while having sex. Don’t tweet while praying with the dying. Don’t tweet when your wife is telling you about the kids. There’s a season for everything. Multitasking only makes sense when none of the tasks requires heart-engaged, loving attention.

“Rich, if you don’t like Twitter, don’t participate.  That simple.  Beg off.”

Ya ya, I get it: don’t rain on others’ parade.  If they are aided by it, who cares, right?  I take issue with the concept of this aiding anyone.  Sure, an individual here or there might benefit, but the overall effect on the congregation as a whole is likely to be deleterious to worship.  Usually, when you bring distractions into worship, distraction is what you get.  Do we really need more opportunity to indulge our ADD-ness?  As Motte  Brown says,

Some of us have a wire that’s been weakened by years of cultivating a heart that loves distraction. So much so that the very weight of my iPhone in my pocket tempts me to check, to quickly peak at all those wonderfully colorful apps and all their potential.

The mindset you cultivate becomes you.

Heck, I even take issue with the very concept, not just the pragmatics and consequences of it.

There is something about this that soils the holy gathering of God’s people on Sunday.  I don’t care if it’s “way cool.”  Whatever happened to “let your words be few (Ecclesiastes 5:2)”?

HT: Boundless

Placebo Relationships

You know, every now and then, something good does come out of The Huffington Post.

Relax, relax.  Just hear me out, ok?

Tara Stiles wrote an article about a month ago on the Facebook craze.  I have to admit, she makes some good points.

On the one hand, Facebook is an absolutely awesome communication tool.  It can foster relational connections.

I am forever endebted to Facebook.  Were it not for the social media tool, I would not have found out a dear friend of mine was very ill.  I was  notified via F.B in time, and I was able to visit him in the hospital before he passed.  Having that chance was and is infinitely valuable to me.

Also, I have benefited greatly from the discussions that happen online, both on Facebook and in the blogosphere.  My thinking has been sharpened considerably, even by those who are quite antagonistic.

credit: bruceisner.com

credit: bruceisner.com

However, as Stiles points out, there are drawbacks.  As I’ve argued before, New Media is changing the way we think and relate to others, and not all for the good:

Want to see what people are up to but have no interest in really talking to them? No problem with Facebook. If someone has an open profile you can click around on their page like you are their BFF, seeing all their pictures, friends’ comments, and status updates. You can locate exactly where someone is and how they’re feeling today in 3 minutes or less.

This fosters a feeling of closeness without the real deal.  True connection and relational knowledge takes effort.   It is inconvenient at times.  Come to think of it, that is what makes it so valuable, yet it is very easy to drain all the striving out of relationships with social media.

Now, you can have the trappings of relational knowledge on the cheap.  All take and no give.  Placebo connections.

You might think that most people are responsible enough to avoid this, but Stiles begs to differ.  Becoming addicted is surprisingly easy:

So here is the problem, well, my problem. And I am assuming I’m not alone on this one. I’m on Facebook all the time! I go to the site not even conscious that I am going to it. I turned on my computer this morning with the intention of opening Word first thing, and where did I find myself? You guessed it. Facebook. I am addicted! Admitting is the first step to recovery (bankers take note). Sign me up for Facebook rehab.

She continues, talking about the Pope’s recent comments on New Media:

The Associated Press brought us his thoughts about how Facebook (and MySpace, a whole other topic mostly about kids and bands) can foster friendships and understanding, but warns that they also can isolate people and marginalize others.

I see this in my own life.  Sometimes I am more “into” making a blog post and responding to comments than I am into the people around me.  It is easier to check email than it is to walk up to someone and dig into life with them, so most of the time I’d rather do the former, not the latter.  My flesh prefers the path of least resistance, and I miss out on some good soul nourishing moments.
Like Stiles, I think I’m not alone on this.  New Media is becoming quite ubiquitous, and it affects our lives in places we normally aren’t used to inspecting.

Therein lies the danger.  As the people of God, this needs to be on the forefront of our minds as we venture into the world created by new social technologies.  Remember, there’s always a tradeoff, and worldview ideas are embedded in each technology.

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