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CNN Video: Police Colleagues Back up Crowley

Verum Serum has the video.  I am glad that not only is Crowley refusing to back down, but his fellow men and women in uniform are standing by him.  Kelly King’s words are especially powerful.

My hope is that teens and youth in this country, black, white, Latino, etc, pay special attention to her words, rather than the President’s, Gates’, the Governor’s, and the Mayor’s.  May youth all over our nation look up to her example, rather than Gates’.

Last thing: you gotta see the comments section in the VS post.  I ask: who is the one being racist?

Acting Stupidly

Those of you who listened to Obama’s press conference last night heard his remarks about Henry Louis Gates, Jr’s allegations of racism against the Cambridge, MA police department.

Here is the police report.  Go read it and decide for yourself if, in Obama’s words, the officer really did act “stupidly.”

Crowley speaks to the media outside his home...photo courtesy of masslive.com

Crowley speaks to the media outside his home...photo courtesy of masslive.com

Gates knows better.  Obama knows better.  The message Obama is sending to youth about officers in uniform is nothing short of reckless.  Yes, someone was acting stupidly, both last night and on July 16, but it wasn’t the Cambridge police.

In addition to the police report (there are witnesses to corroborate), take this into account: Sgt. James Crowley, who arrested Gates, is a police academy expert on racial profiling. He has taught a class about racial profiling for the last five years, after being picked for the position by former police Commissioner Ronny Watson.

What possible  motivation would the guy have for being outlandishly racist, like Gates is arguing?

This is Cambridge, people!  The streets aren’t exactly teeming with gun-totin, handlebar moustache-sportin hillbillies flying the stars and bars in the back of a Ford pickup.  If Crowley had even a small hint of racism in him, he’d have been run outta town a long time ago.

Gates’ accusation does everyone a disservice…he is watering down the meaning of the word ‘racism.’  I’ve been accused of being racist countless times by infantile teenagers looking to squiggle out of being disciplined (ironically, they all have accused me of being racist while my fiance’s picture is staring back at them on my desk), and every time they level that accusation against me, it becomes just another instance of the ‘boy crying wolf.’  No different here.

Shape Shifter (Updated)

Update: Ed Morrissey has some explanation of the difference between a coup and a military impeachment. Though it might be still a supportable action, he calls it a coup nonetheless.

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It took Obama a looooong time to stand with the rest of the free world in condeming the injustice of the Iran elections and the abuses of its citizens in the wake of protests , but he quickly hopped to more direct intervention in Honduras this week when its military staged a coup to depose of Honduran president Zelaya, taking a stand not with the rest of the free world, but with fellas like Hugo Chavez and…Fidel Castro.

The Washington Times has the summary:

In an unusual concurrence of views, the Obama administration and Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez said they still recognized Mr. Zelaya as Honduras’ president. The State Department called the events an “attempted coup” and urged Mr. Zelaya’s “return and restoration of democratic order.”

U.S. officials said they were engaged in multinational efforts to resolve the crisis, through the Organization of American States and European allies. At the same time, Washington wants a resolution “free from external influence and interference,” a senior official told reporters during a conference call organized by the State Department.

The official, who spoke on the condition that he not be named, said the U.S. Embassy in Honduras was “consistently and almost constantly engaged in the last several weeks working with partners” and that U.S. officials were “in contact with all Honduran institutions, including the military.” However, the military stopped taking the embassy’s calls since the coup attempt, the official said.

The WSJ has more:

The Obama administration and members of the Organization of American States had worked for weeks to try to avert any moves to overthrow President Zelaya, said senior U.S. officials. Washington’s ambassador to Honduras, Hugo Llorens, sought to facilitate a dialogue between the president’s office, the Honduran parliament and the military.

The efforts accelerated over the weekend, as Washington grew increasingly alarmed. “The players decided, in the end, not to listen to our message,” said one U.S. official involved in the diplomacy. On Sunday, the U.S. embassy here tried repeatedly to contact the Honduran military directly, but was rebuffed. Washington called the removal of President Zelaya a coup and said it wouldn’t recognize any other leader.

The U.S. stand was unpopular with Honduran deputies. One congressman, Toribio Aguilera, got prolonged applause from his colleagues when he urged the U.S. ambassador to reconsider. Mr. Aguilera said the U.S. didn’t understand the danger that Mr. Zelaya and his friendships with Mr. Chavez and Cuba’s Fidel Castro posed.

On the surface, things look fair. I mean, perhaps there were good reasons that Obama interfered in Honduras but was reluctant to even utter strong words with Iran. After all, a democratic government like the U.S just can’t stand idly by during a military coup of an elected official. But the devil, as they say, is in the details. Things begin to look pretty fishy when you probe further. Ed Morrissey comments:

Zelaya was violating his country’s constitution with his referendum that would have, Chavez-style, repealed term limits on the presidency. The Honduras Supreme Court ruled the referendum illegal, and the military refused to distribute the ballots. Instead of backing down, Zelaya fired the head of the military, which precipitated the ouster.

Clearly, democracies cannot abide armed overthrow of elected governments, but that presumes that the government acts within the rule of law. Zelaya had no intention of doing so, and his flagrant violations and attempt to accrue personal power made that crystal clear. Zelaya had begun seizing dictatorial powers, and the military responded by arresting him. The military then handed power back to the legislature rather than keeping it for themselves, which makes this less of a coup and more of a military impeachment.

In other words, Zelaya was blatantly abusing his power, and this prompted the military to arrest him. Rick Moran puts his finger on key questions:

Further, the military was acting under the orders of the Honduran Supreme Court although they apparently exceeded their authority by whisking him away to Venezuela. And finally, it was Zelaya’s actions in violating the constitution, ignoring a ruling by the Supreme Court that any referendum be put on would be illegal, and the universal belief in Congress, the military, and much of the populace that eventually, he would little more than a stand in for Chavez if he was allowed to carry out his illegal referendum that sealed Zelaya’s fate.

And yet our president, acting contrary to American interests, chose the route of least resistance and condemned what many Hondurans believe was a restoration of constitutional order. The president will find himself in familiar territory with this condemnation – Castro, Ortega, and other Latin American leftist thugs also condemned the coup. Maybe someone could look it up but when was the last time we were on the same side with Cuba on any international issue?

Folks, this is yet another red flag about this president. I’m hoping that people will start to take notice. I’m not holding my breath.

I’m not railing against Obama’s policy on the Iran election. Different post, different time. I think his eventual words, even though they came late, were quite appropriate. You can see a video here:

But his decision to intervene in Honduras has left me scratching my head. If any intervention or condenmnation was called for, I’d think it would sway in the other direction, assisting the Honduran congress, supreme court, and people to restore constitutional order.

And I also am left wondering about the glaring disparity of reactions. I have the same question Morissey has:

Why did Obama decide to intervene on behalf of a “president” obviously abusing his power and to prevent the military from removing him once he started acting like a dictator? He didn’t put nearly that much effort into assisting Iranians who have gone into the streets and died to protest the mullahcracy that oppresses them.

It is very telling that the Obama administration worked hard to step in on the wrong side of democracy in Honduras, but was very, very reluctant to even take a verbal stand in Iran, where people were getting beaten and shot by a wicked government. Maybe some detail will surface in the next few days such that I will see the wisdom in his actions. But I’m not holding my breath on that either. It’s pretty damning when the only guys you are “standing” with are fellas like Chavez and Castro.

H/T: Hotair

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All Together Now!

Here is the whole list of posts I’ve written on torture…umm, enjoy!

Part I: A Tortured Post

Part II

Part III
Part IV

Part V: Conclusion (kinda)

Part VI:  The Real Conclusion

Let me know what you think!

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Torture, the Real Conclusion

Read parts I, II, III, IV, and V of this series.

Remember how I said in my last post that I was concluding the series on torture? Not really. I have one more thing to add. It’s a bit of an aside, but it is something worth mentioning.

I’ve noticed that many of those that oppose torture (waterboarding specifically) are usually not as squeamish when it comes to abortion. They loudly rail against Bush policies of allowing waterboarding, but there’s nary a peep about our nation’s practice of dismembering and chemically burning human beings.

Frank Turek, who has himself been waterboarded as part of SERE training he went through as a naval fighter pilot, powerfully points out the inconsistency (HT: Wintery Knight):

Now, despite decades of its use on American service members, President Obama declares that waterboarding is torture when used on terrorists. Is it? Reasonable people cannot disagree whether scalding a person’s skin, dismembering him, or beheading him constitutes torture. Those are undeniably torturous acts that our enemies have inflicted on Americans. But since waterboarding leaves no permanent physical damage, reasonable people can disagree over whether or not it’s actually torture and should be used on terrorists.

Despite being against waterboarding, President Obama does not seem to think that scalding, dismembering, or beheading is torture in all circumstances. In some circumstances, the President actually approves of such treatment, so much so that he is now exporting it to other countries with our tax dollars. He’s even thinking of forcing certain Americans to inflict it on the innocent.

In fact, the President along with most in his party and some in the Republican Party, think that such brutality is a Constitutional right, which they cleverly disguise with the word “choice.” Choice in these circumstances actually means scalding, dismembering, or de-braining a living human being—which is literally what saline, D&C, and partial birth abortions respectively accomplish.

Many of those who are against waterboarding are either pro-choice or they are against legislation that outlaws abortion (or they think attempts to make abortion illegal are useless). I wish they’d be more consistent in their thinking.

Torture, Concluded

See parts I, II, III, and IV in this series.

Ends and Means

Some charge that allowing for torture in any case smacks of utilitarian and consequentialist reasoning. They say that even though it might save American lives, that doesn’t make it justified. Afterall, if someone told me he’d kill a thousand people if I didn’t shoot the next person that said hi to me, I would not be obligated to shoot. Similarly, killing one human being so that we can harvest his stem cells and use them to cure disease in other people is not justified (this is an argument against Embryonic Stem Cell Research, an argument that I buy.). The ends do not justify the means.

In response, I point out that there are significant disanalogies between the two scenarios. For one, it is clear that even in the few cases we resorted to waterboarding, it was measured. This is much different than killing someone to harvest his stem cells. Furthermore, no one is arguing that the ends alone justifies the means, which is what ESCR advocates often do. The saving of American lives is not the only thing that should be weighed–otherwise saving American lives would give government agents carte blanche to torture as they see fit, and no one gets even close to advocating this–but it is an important aspect that could tip the scale one way or another. The ends don’t always justify the means, but they do in some cases.

Shooting someone to stop a massacre is morally praiseworthy, while shooting someone to take his wallet is morally blameworthy. Patterico puts it this way:

I’m not sure that I am willing to subscribe to a theory of moral equivalence on all levels, because the reason you are doing something matters. It matters a lot. If you shoot me for my money, you are a murderer. If you shoot me because I am pointing a gun at your wife, you are defending her and acting legally. If you shoot an American soldier because you are fighting for Hitler’s right to exterminate the Jews, you are behaving wrongly. If you shoot a German soldier to help prevent the extermination of the Jews, you are behaving correctly.

About the notion that we had a “double standard,” arguing that our enemies had to follow international law whereas the law did not apply to the way we treated our detainees–I don’t have a keen legal mind, but again, intent does matter here. If a bully on the playground pushes Suzie down, mounts her, and pulls her hair, and Suzie has to kick the bully in the gonads to get him off her, I’m gonna punish the bully for mounting and pulling hair, but I’m not gonna punish Suzie. Yeah, she kicked him in the balls, and if the bully kicked Suzie in the crotch, you bet I’d throw the book at him, but the intent is key when assigning blame. In this case, I’m gonna apply the rules more strictly to the bully than I am to Suzie. So for someone to cry foul because we are doing the same things our enemies are doing and have done–namely, torturing captives (well, we’re not doing the same thing…beheading…waterboarding…tomato…tom-ahh-toe.)–doesn’t hold much water for me (no pun intended). The intent, extent, and context are totally different. To force the point, the waterboarding opponent must go further.

Conclusion

In the end, as I alluded to in the beginning, both sides have some tough thinking to do. Making a government policy of when torture is allowed is very dangerous. Hitchens and others have pointed out the very greasy slippery slope that could lead us towards. Enough testimony is in favor of waterboarding to make it at least somewhat of a grey issue (i.e, “thoughtful people can disagree on it,” as they say), but it is not totally grey. If it doesn’t cross the line in the end, it’s close enough to it that I’m mighty uncomfortable allowing it, and there are other less controversial enhanced interrogation techniques that are effective too. It has too much of a tainted history for me to confidently give it a thumbs up without my conscience giving me considerable pause.  At the same time, I’m uncomfortable with a categorical ban on it either, in the case that there really *is* a ticking time bomb scenario that calls for it.  The paramaters and cautions will need to be defined in an extremely narrow way.

I’m very conflicted on waterboarding.  Talk to me on Monday, and I’m willing to allow it in a select few very narrowly defined instances.  Talk to me on Wednesday, and I back away from that.  The bottom line is that I recognize the road this allowance puts us on, but I don’t want people who have a duty to protect American citizens to have their hands tied when it comes to fulfilling such a duty.

And it goes without saying that just as a matter of prudence, if it is true that waterboarding won’t yield good info in a specific case, don’t resort to it. Hey, if the guy will talk if we give him a batch of Toll House, I’ll don the apron and slave away in the kitchen myself.

The other side who would categorically outlaw waterboarding and other less stressful techniques aren’t off the hook either. They must face some pretty tough questions, moreso than the side that is against a categorical ban. If you are one of those folks who wants a categorical ban on the techniques in question, here are a few of the tough questions you must face:

  • Assume, for the sake of the argument, that waterboarding yielded info that saved the Library Tower and saved countless American lives (again, while we have some indication that this is true, we don’t know for sure, so just assume for the sake of argument). Recognize that, though it is torture, its fairly mild compared to other things. Do you still oppose it, even though it saved many, many American lives?
  • How many lives are you willing to give up and endanger, in exchange for a clear conscience at night?
  • How many lives are you willing to sacrifice in order to say we don’t torture?
  • Are you willing to say that putting a known terrorist on the waterboard is a greater evil than failing to protect thousands of lives?

In the scenario I painted above, you don’t have the luxury of having completely clean hands. Your hands will be dirty either way. You have a choice between a lesser and greater evil and you can’t avoid both. Failing to choose one will mean choosing the other.

There are no easy answers, and those on either side who strut about winging politicized rhetoric like it’s a video game grenade need to quit playing and get real.

Torture part IV

See parts I, II, and III of this series.

In part III of this series, I discussed whether or not waterboarding yields reliable information, and whether the “ticking time bomb” scenario is reasonable.

Those are completely prudential concerns. They leave the question of whether waterboarding is torture and whether it is permissable at all totally unanswered. Hence, part IV.

Is Waterboarding Torture?

From Wikipedia:

It can cause extreme pain, dry drowning, damage to lungs, brain damage from oxygen deprivation, other physical injuries including broken bones due to struggling against restraints, lasting psychological damage or, if uninterrupted, death. Adverse physical consequences can start manifesting months after the event; psychological effects can last for years.

Dr. Allen Keller, the director of the Bellevue/N.Y.U. Program for Survivors of Torture, has treated “a number of people” who had been subjected to forms of near-asphyxiation, including waterboarding. An interview for The New Yorker states, “[He] argued that it was indeed torture, ‘Some victims were still traumatized years later’, he said. One patient couldn’t take showers, and panicked when it rained. ‘The fear of being killed is a terrifying experience’, he said”. Keller also stated in his testimony before the Senate that “water-boarding or mock drowning, where a prisoner is bound to an inclined board and water is poured over their face, inducing a terrifying fear of drowning clearly can result in immediate and long-term health consequences. As the prisoner gags and chokes, the terror of imminent death is pervasive, with all of the physiologic and psychological responses expected, including an intense stress response, manifested by tachycardia (rapid heart beat) and gasping for breath. There is a real risk of death from actually drowning or suffering a heart attack or damage to the lungs from inhalation of water. Long term effects include panic attacks, depression and PTSD. I remind you of the patient I described earlier who would panic and gasp for breath whenever it rained even years after his abuse”.

Waterboarding is considered to be torture by a wide range of authorities, including legal experts,[2][3][30] politicians, war veterans,[4][5] intelligence officials,[8] military judges,[9] and human rights organizations.[10][11] David Miliband, the United Kingdom Foreign Secretary described it as torture on July 19, 2008, and stated “the UK unreservedly condemns the use of torture.”[31] Arguments have been put forward that it might not be torture in all cases, or that it is unclear.[32][33][34][35] The U.S. State Department has recognized “submersion of the head in water” as torture in other circumstances, for example, in its 2005 Country Report on Tunisia.[36]

Chase J. Nielsen, one of the U.S. airmen who flew in the Doolittle raid following the attack on Pearl Harbor, was subjected to waterboarding by his Japanese captors.[95] At their trial for war crimes following the war, he testified “Well, I was put on my back on the floor with my arms and legs stretched out, one guard holding each limb. The towel was wrapped around my face and put across my face and water poured on. They poured water on this towel until I was almost unconscious from strangulation, then they would let up until I’d get my breath, then they’d start over again… I felt more or less like I was drowning, just gasping between life and death.”

Granted, this is from Wikipedia, which is not exactly the most reliable source. The sentence immediately preceding the quote above, for example, said it does not produce long lasting effects, which completely contradicts the testimony above. And just as there are conflicting testimonies on the question of whether or not it yields reliable intel, there are also conflicting testimonies in regards to waterboarding’s effects. Some, those who’ve experienced waterboarding, say that it’s rough, but you get over it quickly. Even Christopher Hitchens, a 60-something year old sedentary heavy smoker, was ready for another go soon after his initial waterboarding…you can make up your own mind. I’m gonna go ahead and say it qualifies as torture.

Is Waterboarding Ever Permissable?

Does that mean it must be categorically outlawed?

Perhaps the most eloquent argument against a categorical ban on torture (waterboarding specifically) comes from Christopher Hitchens, who is no fan of waterboarding. In his column titled, “Believe me, it’s Torture,” he lays it all out:

The team who agreed to give me a hard time in the woods of North Carolina belong to a highly honorable group. This group regards itself as out on the front line in defense of a society that is too spoiled and too ungrateful to appreciate those solid, underpaid volunteers who guard us while we sleep. These heroes stay on the ramparts at all hours and in all weather, and if they make a mistake they may be arraigned in order to scratch some domestic political itch. Faced with appalling enemies who make horror videos of torture and beheadings, they feel that they are the ones who confront denunciation in our press, and possible prosecution. As they have just tried to demonstrate to me, a man who has been waterboarded may well emerge from the experience a bit shaky, but he is in a mood to surrender the relevant information and is unmarked and undamaged and indeed ready for another bout in quite a short time. When contrasted to actual torture, waterboarding is more like foreplay. No thumbscrew, no pincers, no electrodes, no rack. Can one say this of those who have been captured by the tormentors and murderers of (say) Daniel Pearl? On this analysis, any call to indict the United States for torture is therefore a lame and diseased attempt to arrive at a moral equivalence between those who defend civilization and those who exploit its freedoms to hollow it out, and ultimately to bring it down. I myself do not trust anybody who does not clearly understand this viewpoint.

The fact that Hitchens ultimately comes down against torture/waterboarding gives special weight to this argument.

McCain says there should be a categorical ban, Krauthammer no.

Albert Mohler agrees with McCain, but with important qualifications:

We are simply not capable, I would argue, of constructing a set of principles and rules for torture that could adequately envision the real-life scenarios under which the pressure and temptation to use extreme coercion would be seriously contemplated.

Instead, I would suggest that Senator McCain is correct in arguing that a categorical ban should be adopted as state policy for the U.S., its military, and its agents. At the same time, I would admit that such a policy, like others, has limitations that, under extreme circumstances, may be transcended by other moral claims. The key point is this— at all times and in all cases the use of torture is understood to be morally suspect in the extreme, and generally unjustified.

Rules institutionalize a reality and shape a society. The safe transit of automobiles requires a set of well-established, public, and intelligible traffic laws, including speed limits. At the same time, a parent rushing a bleeding child to the hospital may be stopped by a police officer, but such a parent is not likely to be arrested and prosecuted for breaking this law. Why? Because the parent’s action, under a set of unexpected but conceivable conditions, was understood by legal authorities to have been justified under this precise set of circumstances. The government does not stipulate in advance that such a set of allowable conditions exists, nor does it attempt to exhaust in advance what circumstances might exist that would be similarly justified. Instead, the law is understood to remain in full effect with full integrity even as legitimate and authorized legal agents decide not to arrest or prosecute a citizen whose law-breaking was understood to be justified under these precise circumstances. The rule is unchanged, and the law is not mocked.

These two contexts of moral decision-making can serve to develop a coherent and principled policy on the state’s use of torture and extreme coercion. First, the use of torture should be prohibited as a matter of state policy— period. No set of qualifications and exceptions can do anything but diminish the moral credibility of this policy. At the same time, rare exceptions under extreme circumstances can be considered under those circumstances by legitimate state agents, knowing that a full accounting of these decisions must be made to the public, through appropriate means and mechanisms.

Second, a thorough and legitimate review must be conducted subsequent to the use of any such techniques, with the agents who authorized or conducted such use of torture fully accountable, even to the point of maximum legal prosecution if their use of extreme coercion is seen to have been unjustified (not simply because the interrogation did not produce the desired information, but because the grounds of justification were invalid). The absence of legitimate accountability through a thorough and comprehensive process of review— with the threat of real and appropriate sanctions against those found to have acted without due justification— makes the state complicit in a web of cruelty and the official rationalization of evil.

Yeah, But…

Sounds reasonable, but there is a definite downside to this. After reporting about the CIA destroying tapes of interrogations, Bryan at Hotair states:

Agreed, the C.I.A shouldn’t be destroying evidence…The C.I.A. said today that the decision to destroy the tapes had been made “within the C.I.A. itself,” and they were destroyed to protect the safety of undercover officers and because they no longer had intelligence value. The agency was headed at the time by Porter J. Goss. Through a spokeswoman, Mr. Goss declined this afternoon to comment on the destruction of the tapes.

This is what we get when we have leaders who abdicate leadership and don’t protect their subordinates for the consequences of the choices that the leaders make. This, essentially, is the result of Sen. John McCain’s announced policy of keeping interrogation techniques like waterboarding illegal, but knowing full well that it will be used in extreme circumstances, and that when it is used the agents who used it will find themselves in legal jeopardy no matter what the outcome of the interrogation was. It’s the politics of passing the buck.

I’m not blaming McCain alone for this; most of Washington basically sides with his effort to pass off responsibility to anyone but themselves, whether or not they signed on to the actual method McCain used in this specific case.

And here we are. Buck passed, agents in fear of prosecution and politicization destroying evidence, politicians once again side-stepping responsibility for their own predictably awful self-centered reasons. We have one more reason to loathe politicians on both sides of the aisle, and one more reason to suspect that our intel agencies are spinning more and more out of control and that terrorist-connected lawyers are gaming the system and no one in a position to do anything about it has the guts to call them out.

Read the whole thing. He makes some great points. It’s a tough call. Either way is subject to abuses. On the one hand, there is the very real possibility that men who do their duty to protect lives will be subject to public humiliation and prosecution. They are the ones making the hard decisions, yet they are the ones who will be demonized by an unthinking public and reactionary politicians.

On the other hand, you have the undesirable situation of codifying torture as government policy. Yikes. Like I said, it’s quite a sticky wicket.

In the next post (you mean there’s more?!!), I will address objections that allowing for torture at all is consequentialist in nature and therefore unsound morally.