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Skeptics Answered: Evidential Problem of Evil

(Author’s note: This continues a series answering objections to the Christian worldview.  A week or two ago I made a call for folks to send me their “best shot.” For the other posts in the series, simply follow the links and the pingbacks in the comments section.)

Another form of the problem of evil is the evidential problem of evil.  This argument takes several incarnations.  Some are more ambitious than others, and some focus on a particular form of evil, while others point to evil in general.   They all have three things in common:

1) They purport to show that, while the existence of evil might be logically compatible with the existence of God (defined as a maximally perfect being worthy of worship…sorta redundant, but whatever), the existence of evil nevertheless counts as evidence against theism.

2) They attempt to show that there exists of some amount of gratuitous, unneeded evil.  They all hold the premise that “there probably exists some form, type, or pattern of evil that is gratuitous.”

3) They all start by putting the positive evidence for theism aside.  “If the playing field were equal,” they ask, “how does the existence of gratuitous evil tip the scale?”  They all find it tips the scale in favor of atheism.

Notice that this argument is weaker in its scope–it deals in probabilities, not lock-tight verified conclusions.  This makes it somewhat tricky to answer–and to argue.

William Rowe has put forth the argument like so:

  1. There exist instances of intense suffering which an omnipotent, omniscient being could have prevented without thereby losing some greater good or permitting some evil equally bad or worse.
  2. An omniscient, wholly good being would prevent the occurrence of any intense suffering it could, unless it could not do so without thereby losing some greater good or permitting some evil equally bad or worse.
  3. (Therefore) There does not exist an omnipotent, omniscient, wholly good being.

In arguing for premise one, he utilizes two examples as representative cases of certain kinds of evil: “Bambi” and “Sue.” (I am using the terms William Alston employs..they are better than simply “E1″ and “E2.”)

Bambi:

“In some distant forest lightning strikes a dead tree, resulting in a forest fire. In the fire a fawn is trapped, horribly burned, and lies in terrible agony for several days before death relieves its suffering”

Sue:

“This is an actual event in which a five-year-old girl in Flint, Michigan was severely beaten, raped and then strangled to death early on New Year’s Day in 1986. The case was introduced by Bruce Russell (1989: 123), whose account of it, drawn from a report in the Detroit Free Press of January 3 1986, runs as follows:

The girl’s mother was living with her boyfriend, another man who was unemployed, her two children, and her 9-month old infant fathered by the boyfriend. On New Year’s Eve all three adults were drinking at a bar near the woman’s home. The boyfriend had been taking drugs and drinking heavily. He was asked to leave the bar at 8:00 p.m. After several reappearances he finally stayed away for good at about 9:30 p.m. The woman and the unemployed man remained at the bar until 2:00 a.m. at which time the woman went home and the man to a party at a neighbor’s home. Perhaps out of jealousy, the boyfriend attacked the woman when she walked into the house. Her brother was there and broke up the fight by hitting the boyfriend who was passed out and slumped over a table when the brother left. Later the boyfriend attacked the woman again, and this time she knocked him unconscious. After checking the children, she went to bed. Later the woman’s 5-year old girl went downstairs to go to the bathroom. The unemployed man returned from the party at 3:45 a.m. and found the 5-year old dead. She had been raped, severely beaten over most of her body and strangled to death by the boyfriend.”

Rowe argues that since we don’t know of any goods that would possibly justify God allowing cases like Bambi and Sue, it’s likely that no reasons actually exist.  He seems to be asking the rhetorical question, “what could possibly justify God permitting that?”

What can the Christian and/or theist say in response?

First, this argument is normally considered apart from other evidences and arguments for God’s existence.  Those who put forth the evidential argument from evil ask us to put aside the other arguments and ask: “all things being equal, how does gratuitous evil tip the scales?”  I find this to be a bit of jerry-rigging, for in doing so, the atheist is attempting to take away some key points from the theist.

When the cumulative case has had its day, the evidential argument doesn’t seem as powerful, for the other evidences and arguments serve to countermand the weight of this argument…more on that cumulative case later.

Second, keep in mind that no matter how intractable this problem is for the theist, the atheist is in quite a bigger pickle.  On an atheistic worldview, some existence of “evil” might make us feel bad, and we might want to say “I would never do or allow that,” but that is where it stops.  In the end, objectively, it’s just stuff, just flotsam and jetsam.  The moment an atheist calls something “wicked” or “unjust” objectively, she is borrowing capital from a theistic worldview.   She can know what is good and evil epistemologically, but grounding her judgments metaphysically is quite difficult.

Third, we must question the inference from

1) there are no goods we know of that would justify God allowing gratuitous evil.

to

2) it is likely that no such goods exist

Our perspective is quite limited.  God’s is not.  Simple as that.  He has a perch and a perspective we lack.  We find this in the human world all the time.  As 4 year old kid sick with Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever, I had no idea why I was receiving a spinal tap.  All I knew is that it hurt like the dickens.  My parents, on the other hand, had more knowledge, and this knowledge justified them allowing me to get stuck by long needles in my spine.

We lack reason to suppose we have a sufficient grasp of wisdom in our relationship with God.  Our grasp of the reasons God has for permitting what seems to us as gratuitous is analogous to my grasp of my parents reasons for allowing the spinal tap.

One might respond that in those situations, we don’t have the expectation to be able to grasp the full knowledge, but with God, we should expect such.  As a 4 year old kid, I should not expect to understand even a smidgeon of what my parents understand, and it is the same with us and God.

This, however, is hasty.  Neophytes do, indeed, have such expectations often.  As a beginning teacher, you bet I expected to be able to grasp why the vets did what they did.  When I found myself baffled, in my pride I judged them as incapable teachers.

Lets just say that experience and a few hard knocks in the classroom have proven my judgment wrong.  We have false expectations all the time, and there’s no reason to assume it’s any different with God.

Some may also respond with: “if my kid suffers from the same fate as Sue, isn’t it reasonable to at least expect God to reveal His reasons for permitting that?”

Short response: no.  Again, going back to the analogies used, sometimes, when I questioned my father, his response was “because I’m your dad.”  If he explained it to me, it would make matters worse (a few arguments with a foolhardy teenager will convince you of this.  I, too, doubted it…until I tried to teach a room full of foolhardy teenagers.).  I see no reason for us to foist an obligation of revelation upon God, at least this side of eternity.

What about comfort?  Should we expect God to comfort us when we experience severe evil and suffering?

Stay tuned for the next installment!!!

In writing this post, I liberally used the Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy’s entry on the evidential problem of evil.

Chill Out: it’s Going to Space!

(Still working on the next post in the Skeptics Answered series.  The reading I gotta do for it isn’t exactly Reader’s Digest. It’s coming soon enough, hold on…)

You HAVE to check out this video…very funny, very true.

Patience is a virtue in short supply these days.  For all the good things our technology has brought us (Through Facebook, for example, I’ve been alerted to one of my friends being seriously hospitalized.  I am forever grateful), it sometimes renders us very myopic.  We seriously need an adjustment:

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Check out the following related posts:

Inauthentically Authentic

Blogging:  an Incredible Opportunity

Electronic Media Immersion

Thoughts on a Technologically Saturated Life

Taking a Break…be Right Back

Note: I’m getting home a little late tonight, and don’t have time to put up a post continuing the “Skeptics Answered” thread.  I’ll try to get a post up Friday night or Saturday.  I apologize for being a bit slow.

In the meantime, check out two of Greg Koukl’s many short videos on the subject of evil and suffering:

Bristol: Abstinence is not “Realistic”

Though Bristol Palin puts the Obamedia in their place, this is another illustration for why we need to actively engage our kids in worldview thinking, so that they can understand and articulate their beliefs better.

That comment is not meant to wag a finger at Sarah Palin’s parenting at all.  I don’t know what she’s like, and it’s possible she and Todd have engaged with their children, and Bristol has just “missed it.”  Perhaps she really does have solid convictions, but the big media-ness of the interview left her nervous.

Who knows.  I just think the video is instructive for us who have children or who will have children in the future, for if we neglect actively guiding and teaching our kids in biblically sound thinking skills, they will be left open to attack and they will stammer and struggle to make sense out of our most basic convictions.  As I’ve argued before, this phenomenon does not bode well for our kids remaining strong in the faith through college.

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Skeptics Answered: Evil=Evidence *for* God

(Author’s note: This continues a series answering objections to the Christian worldview.  A week or two ago I made a call for folks to send me their “best shot.” For the other posts in the series, simply follow the pingbacks in the comments section.)

Yesterday I began to answer the “problem of evil.” Today I am going to continue that thread and discuss the meaning of “evil.”  Pinpointing the nature of evil is crucial, for the whole problem turns on what evil actually is.

Here are a few different non-theistic, atheistic, or naturalistic definitions:

Some think that morality (this would include “evil”) is determined by societal convention.  On this view, evil would be tantamount to crossing a social taboo or norm.

This does not suffice, though, for that’s like someone arguing that God doesn’t exist because a person decided to drive on the left side as opposed to the right side of the road.

Others think that morality is a matter of personal preference.  Here, when I say “X is evil,” it means that I personally don’t like X or I find X distasteful.   Some even go so far as to make moral statements totally emotive, so when I say “Bush is evil,” that means nothing more than “ugh, Bush!”

Again, this does not satisfy.  That is like the following conversation:

“God doesn’t exist.”

Why?

“Fish sticks!”

What?  Fish sticks?

“Yeah, seriously!  You ever get a load of those things?”

You’ve got to do better than that.

A third alternative is to point to naturalistic evolution in defining morality.  This seems to be Richard Dawkins’ preferred route.

Like the others, though, this falls short, for on this view, evil is something which doesn’t help the species (or individual, as some have defined it) survive.  Things that nature doesn’t select might indeed be big bummers for our species, but why think that’s some horrible thing such that God’s existence is in doubt?

In addition, this view of morality leaves out a key feature: the prescriptive nature of morality.  All this view can do is describe behavior that humans have come to call “moral.”  It cannot prescribe a moral obligation.  Obligation is something that’s central to morality, so this view guts morality and changes it into something entirely different.

For the objection of evil to work, evil has to be a deeply true, objective, meaningful feature of our world.  The options above will not suffice.  Classically defined, evil is a privation, or a lack of something.  It is not a substance that somehow morphs onto something.  Think of it like cold (the absence of heat) or a shadow (absence of light).

But, evil cannot exist in a vacuum.  Just as a shadow presupposes something called light, evil presupposes goodness, from which evil departs.

Greg Koukl puts it this way:

To say something is evil is to make a moral judgment, and moral judgments make no sense outside of the context of a moral standard. Evil as a value judgment marks a departure from that standard of morality. If there is no standard, there is no departure.

Evil can’t be real if morals are relative. Evil is real, though. That’s why people object to it. Therefore, objective moral standards must exist as well. This discovery invites certain questions. Where do morals come from and why do they seem to apply only to human beings? Are they the product of chance? What world view makes sense out of morality?

Where’d this “good” come from?  That’s the question, for it needs a grounding as well.

Some try to ground goodness in nature or some platonic heaven.  I don’t think this works, obviously.

Morality is quite a recalcitrant fact in a naturalistic universe.  J.L Mackie famously noted:

If there were objective values, then they would be entities or qualities or relations of a very strange sort, utterly different from anything else in the universe.

In other words, how could a purposeless, valueless, mindless process puke out a totally physical universe compelled by physical laws *and* intrinsically valuable human beings?  Something doesn’t fit.  In the grand scheme of things, if naturalism is true, we inhabit a meaningless existence on a speck of dust we call “earth.”  This speck of dust is doomed to either heat death or the opposite sometime in the future.  We are no qualitatively different than a bag of snakes.  We might be functionally more complicated, but this is quite a different matter, and besides, grounding value in function leads to all sorts of absurd conclusions.

Where is there room for real objective value?  Remember, the social convention view does not produce real, objective value, only subjective, convenient rules that help us get along.

No matter what you call it (value, moral laws, commands, moral prescriptions, etc), those can only come from intelligent minds.  Morality has an oughtness to it: deep down, we sense an obligation to obey.  It’s not just a good suggestion.  If you do something evil, you have dones something more egregious than flout the herd mentality.

Think about this illustration that I borrow from Greg Koukl:

Say you spill your alphabet soup one night.  You look down and see the sentence, “do not eat” on the floor.  Would you be obligated to obey that?  No.  It has no force behind it.  Likewise, if I hopped on my bike, went “woo, woo, woo,” and tried to pull you over on the road, you would not be obligated to obey, because I don’t have the proper authority.

To conclude, the presence of evil in the world points to the existence of real goodness in the world.  The best explanation for that goodness is that an intelligent mind with proper authority imbued the world with it.  Thus, the person who pushes the argument from evil actually is in the sticky position of assuming what he’s trying to disprove.  The objection needs the existence of God to even get off the ground.

It is not a good thing when you have to borrow capital like that.

In response, some push a modified “Euthyphro” argument, attempting to sever God from morality.  I have never been impressed with this response.  Paul Copan gives an excellent reply (reply to the Euthyphro argument comes at the end of the paper.  The whole thing is about the failure of naturalism in its grounding of a robust morality.  It’s excellent; read the whole thing.).

Tomorrow I will continue with the series by examining the evidential problem of evil, followed by some pastoral comments on suffering.  Answers to other objections will come after that!

Here are some other resources that you can consult on the logical problem of evil:

Koukl on evil

God, Morality, and Evil: the Bill Craig-Kai Nielsen debate

The Indispensability of Theological Meta-Ethical Foundations for Morality

Check out my related posts:

Book Review: The God Delusion, by Richard Dawkins

Book Review: God is not Great, by Christopher Hitchens

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Paper, Rock Scissors

Armed with this, I will now be invincible at Paper, Rock, Scissors!  MUAUAHAHAHAAA!!!

I add: Jesus–saves man, redeems woman, creates sun, walks on water, defeats devil, crushes skull of snake, IS the rock.

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Skeptics Answered: Evil, Suffering, and God

(Author’s note: This begins a series answering objections to the Christian worldview.  A week or two ago I made a call for folks to send me their “best shot.” For the other posts in the series, simply follow the pingbacks in the comments section.)

In the middle of Bible study tonight, the leader received a text message: the wife of his friend died in a tragic car accident on the freeway.  In addition to her husband (Bible study leader’s friend), she left behind two kids.  In my Bible study leader’s words, his friend was the most “energetic, joyous person you’d ever meet.  He always had a big smile on his face, and he was sooo proud of his wife and kids.”

His wife was 38.

Also as I write this, a good friend of mine is in the hospital battling for his life.  After five brain surgeries, he is mostly paralyzed, can barely speak, and has a feeding tube.  He has been in the ICU for well over a month.

He is the most loving guy you’d ever meet.  He is 33.

Columbine.  September 11.  The Tsunami in India.
Something has gone dreadfully awry.

Events like these hit us straight in the gut, don’t they?  The question “why God?” or “where was God?” pop up quite naturally.

This brings up perhaps the most common objection to the existence of God generally and, specifically, the Christian worldview.  A few of the objections I received in my call to skeptics are variations on this problem.  The objection generally comes in two forms: the logical and the evidential problem of evil.  There is also a pastoral element to the problem.  I will eventually get to all three aspects, but let me tackle the logical aspect first.

Be forewarned: if you are currently personally going through some suffering, this post will do you little good.  Pontificating about possible worlds and free will isn’t much help to someone who just lost a friend to cancer, for example.  The pastoral element will come later.

The logical problem of evil argues that the existence of God is logically incompatible with the existence of evil.  A common version of the argument, perhaps best summarized by David Hume, goes like this:

1) If God were all loving, He would want to prevent all evil.

2) If God were all powerful, He would be able to prevent all evil.

3) Evil exists.

4) Therefore, God is either not all powerful or not all loving.

5) Hence, God (defined as a maximally perfect being worthy of worship) does not exist.

The crux of the argument is that 1-4 cannot all be true at the same time.  One of them has got to go, and 3 seems like it is immovable.  (For brevity’s sake, I’m skipping some of the fill in.   For a full statement of the problem, go here.)

Before anything else, it’s crucial to get a handle on the definitions of the terms.  Vagueness in the terms has been one of the things that’s made this problem a stumbling block to many.

First, underlying this discussion is what we mean by a “free creature.”  There are a few definitions of freedom out there, but one that I’m assuming for this discussion is libertarian:

A person is free with respect to a given action if and only if that person is both free to perform that action and free to refrain from performing that action; in other words, that person is not determined to perform or refrain from that action by any prior causal forces. (citation)

This is the average person’s view of freedom.  This is a morally thick view of freedom.

Think of a world in which God created beings that were only able to choose good options.  If someone in this world were faced with three good options and one bad one, he would be incapable of choosing the bad option.  This would be a limited, and thus, morally thin kind of freedom.  People in this world would always choose good options, but we wouldn’t praise them for it; they’d deserve no credit, just like a computer that did what it was programmed to do wouldn’t deserve credit for its actions. (Citation)

People in the real world (including Adam and Eve) are free in that sense.  This conflicts with a key assumption that backs the logical problem of evil….more on that in a bit.

Next, what is meant by “all-powerful”?  Many people assume that the classical theistic meaning is that God can do absolutely anything, but this is not so.  Biblically, at least, there are things that God cannot do.   He cannot make a square circle, for instance.  In other words, He cannot do the logically impossible.

This is not a limitation on His power, however.  Some concepts are meaningless, vacuous, and non-existent, and no matter how powerful God or anyone else is, that’s not gonna change.  To paraphrase C.S Lewis, a sentence doesn’t suddenly become imbibed with meaning when you put the words “God can” in front of it.  There are some possible worlds that God cannot create, but this doesn’t mean He’s not all-powerful.

This all relates to the problem of evil in that if one accepts the common view of freedom above, then no, God could not make robustly free creatures that would only be capable of choosing good, as is commonly assumed.  God, in creating the world with morally robust freedom, had to give us the option of choosing rebellion, and with that, all the consequences derived from that choice.

Someone could respond by going with another, less robust, view of freedom, but I doubt it would be a freedom we’d want.

The question is, “could God have kept the possibility of evil out of the equation without thereby eliminating the existence of love and genuine relationship?”  No.  If there is no possibility of rejection, love is coerced, and that is not genuine relationship.  Think back to my computer illustration; no one would say our computer ‘loves’ us and ‘relates’ to us, at least not on a meaningful level.

Now the question becomes, “is free will a ‘greater good’?”  Is the possibility of genuine relationship with the ability to genuinely love God and others such a great good that allowing the possibility of evil (the possibility of rebellion and rejection of relationship) is morally permissable?
That’s a key issue, isn’t it?  All that is needed to for there to be no contradiction between God being all-powerful, all-loving, and evil existing is the possibility of God having a morally permissable reason to permit it.  We don’t even need to *know* what the exact reason is.  All that is required, logically, is possibility.

An illustration: say you overhear a co-worker claim that six months ago someone cut him to the bone with a knife.  At first glance, this sounds pretty cruel, because most of us hold that no one should inflict unwanted pain upon another.

But, as he continues, you find out that the knife-wielder was a surgeon, and he was performing surgery on your friend to remove a cancerous tumor.  That makes all the difference, doesn’t it?  The surgeon was going for the greater good, and thus had a morally sufficient reason to cut with the knife.

It is possible that God has a morally sufficient reason for permitting evil in the world; this reason is freedom, relationship, and love (mentioned above).  To solve the logical problem of evil, possibility, not plausibility, is all that is needed.

Before you scoff at the value of all that, think hard.  What would you be giving up?  C.S Lewis put it nicely:

Why, then, did God give them free will? Because free will, though it makes evil possible, is also the only thing that makes possible any love or goodness or joy worth having. A world of automata—of creatures that worked like machines—would hardly be worth creating. The happiness which God designs for His higher creatures is the happiness of being freely, voluntarily united to Him and to each other…. And for that they must be free. Of course, God knew what would happen if they used their freedom the wrong way: apparently He thought it worth the risk. (Mere Christianity)

Alving Plantinga agrees:

A world containing creatures who are sometimes significantly free (and freely perform more good than evil actions) is more valuable, all else being equal, than a world containing no free creatures at all. Now God can create free creatures, but he cannot cause or determine them to do only what is right. For if he does so, then they are not significantly free after all; they do not do what is right freely. To create creatures capable of moral good, therefore, he must create creatures capable of moral evil; and he cannot leave these creatures free to perform evil and at the same time prevent them from doing so…. The fact that these free creatures sometimes go wrong, however, counts neither against God’s omnipotence nor against his goodness; for he could have forestalled the occurrence of moral evil only by excising the possibility of moral good. (The Nature of Necessity)

For me, when I think back to all the things that make life worth living, most of them have to do with love in relationship.  In addition, if I think back to all the accomplishments I’m proud of and wouldn’t sell for anything, most of them would be completely ruined if I was automated to accomplish them….saying I’d be “automated” to “accomplish” them even sounds weird.

To sum up thus far: many classical theists deny premises 1 and 2, but that does not mean God is not both all-powerful and all-loving.  The combination of 1, 2, and 3 does not necessitate 4 and 5.

There are objections to this (for a full description, see the article I’ve cited several times above).  While cataloguing all of them would require a book, let me mention one that does make me think:  apparently, in heaven, we will not have the ability to sin.  Our freedom, then, will be limited in a sense, and most think this is a good thing.  If it will be a good thing in heaven, why think it wouldn’t be a good thing now?

My response is that the state of sinlessness will not come in a vacuum.  That is, it comes only after a period on earth where we each “prove” the genuineness of our relationship to God and others by freely choosing love.  Only after this will our free choice of obedience be “habituated” and confirmed into a state of sinlessness.

The objection still makes me question libertarian freedom, though.  I guess the jury is still out.

So far, I have left lots unanswered: what is meant by evil?  Also, what about the evidential and pastoral elements of the problem?  There is still much left to discuss.  Stay tuned for part II.

In addition, yet to come are many, many posts on the many, many other objections I received: is there evidence for God/the supernatural?  What about the claims of science?  Isn’t Christianity unnecessarily exclusive?  Hey, what’s the deal with you all taking the Bible so literally?  Isn’t Jesus just a copy cat of other ancient mythic figures?  Why hell?  And if there is a hell, why doesn’t God just send somebody back from the dead to tell us?

I will tackle all these and other objections in the next few weeks!

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